# Obama be shuckin' 'n' jivin', dontchyaknow! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 25, 2012, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784 "2012-10-25T01:13:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/61 "2012-10-25T14:00:52Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’ve heard the phrase used by many people over the years and never heard anyone suggest it was racist before today. Same here. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/62 "2012-10-25T14:19:18Z")
Sarah palin is no June Cleaver. Yeah, I went there. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/63 "2012-10-25T14:30:15Z")
Palin’s response to criticism of her use of “shuck and jive”: > [@](#): > > " I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and “when hell freezes over”, as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family." The woman has transcended stoopid. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/64 "2012-10-25T14:37:24Z")
She has a point in that all of those times the media has referred to igloos and Eskimo Pie when talking about Palin were displaying their prejudice against Alaskans to the exact same degree that Palin did against the A-A culture. If there were such an epidemic of igloo references. Which there aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/65 "2012-10-25T14:40:26Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Exactly. > > I, a white man, can say “I like watermelon and fried chicken.” > > I will be in a big mess of trouble around here if I said “_insert black poster’s name here_ likes watermelon and fried chicken.” > > Context is key. :dubious: If you don’t like watermelon and fried chicken you are a Communist. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/66 "2012-10-25T14:51:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Well color me surprised that you, **Happy Lendervedder** , are being completely ridiculous about this. > > If I said that Halle Barry should stop bobbing and weaving and just answer my question, am I being racist and sexist, in your opinion? How is bobbing and weaving in the same league as shucking and jiving? Do you know the origins or history of either of these phrases or are you just putting random words on the screen to try and make some sort of point? ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/67 "2012-10-25T14:55:37Z")
Those terms are textile industry dogwhistles, **Happy Lendervedder** - all keeping us loom workers under the thumb of the mill-owning plutocracy. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/68 "2012-10-25T15:26:20Z")
I didn’t know there was a racial component to the term, so I can’t get that offended about Palin’s use of it. I go to an HBCU, but Palin might never even have seen a black person not named Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/69 "2012-10-25T15:26:26Z")
> [@MsWhatsit](#): > > For serious. > > Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter exist, as far as I can tell, solely to piss off liberals. Which is why I love them. It’s hilarious seeing the retards get all “outraged” over the stupid bullshit they say. The tards try ever so hard to get all offended at the tiniest of bullshit. > [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Exactly. > > I, a white man, can say “I like watermelon and fried chicken.” > > I will be in a big mess of trouble around here if I said “_insert black poster’s name here_ likes watermelon and fried chicken.” > > Context is key. Well I’m about to blow your fucking mind. My friend of 11 years, Josh, a black person, likes fried chicken\*. OMG I’ma fucking racist!!! Quick someone ban me for saying a black person likes fried chicken. Maybe I should be double banned because I’m about to be a racist again. Flavor Flav likes fried chicken. He likes it so much he opened several restuarants serving fried chicken. WARNING: All leftie-tards should put on their protective anti-racist magical underwear. Or whatever retarded stupid shit the retard elucidator usually says. > **[Check out Flavor Flav's new Las Vegas restaurant and some of his competition](https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/mar/16/check-out-flavor-flavs-new-las-vegas-restaurant-an/)** > > We’ve heard his voice through our headphones and seen his face on our TVs. Now, Flavor Flav is hoping we’ll take him into our dining rooms. Well, not literally. \*He’s never eaten watermelon and doesn’t see the appeal of it. ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/70 "2012-10-25T15:29:08Z")
> [@Darth\_Panda](#): > > Sarah palin is no June Cleaver. > > Yeah, I went there. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0j2dVuhr6s)🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/71 "2012-10-25T15:30:30Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I didn’t know there was a racial component to the term, so I can’t get that offended about Palin’s use of it. I go to an HBCU, but Palin might never even have seen a black person not named Obama. Yeah, because there are no black people in Alaska or even black people on TV in Alaska. :rolleyes: Fucking dipshit. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/72 "2012-10-25T15:35:54Z")
**Drunky Smurf** , hyperbole. Hyperbole, **Drunky Smurf**. I’ll leave you to it because you obviously have a lot of catching up to do. ---
**Author:** ![BigAppleBucky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigapplebucky/32/178_2.png) [@BigAppleBucky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigAppleBucky)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/73 "2012-10-25T15:41:30Z")
> **[Urban Dictionary: shuck and jive](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=shuck%2Band%2Bjive)** > > shuck and jive: To \[shuck\] and jive Ital - mine > [@](#): > > “Shucking and jiving” was a tactic of both survival and resistance. A slave, for instance, could say eagerly, “Oh, yes, Master,” and have no real intention to obey. Or an African-American man could pretend to be working hard _(At shucking corn?)_ at a task he was ordered to do, but might put up this pretense only when under observation. Both would be instances of “doin’ the old shuck 'n jive.” The second definition was, “Acting like a N\_\_\_\_\_.” Yes, Palin was being racist. SOP for her. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/74 "2012-10-25T15:44:36Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Yeah, because there are no black people in Alaska or even black people on TV in Alaska. :rolleyes: Fucking dipshit. Not that many, comparatively speaking > **[Demographics of Alaska](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Alaska)** > > As of 2020, Alaska has a population of 733,391. > In 2005, the population of Alaska was 663,661, which is an increase of 5,906, or 0.9%, from the prior year and an increase of 36,730, or 5.9%, since the year 2000. This includes a natural increase since the last census of 36,590 people (53,132 births minus 16,542 deaths) and an increase due to net migration of 1,181 people into the state. Immigration from outside the United States resulted in a net increase of 5,800 people, and migration within t... 3.3% blacks in Alaska > **[Demographics of the United States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States)** > > English was made the official language of the United States by Executive Order 14224 in 2025. However, Congress has never passed a bill to designate English as the official language of all three federal branches. English is designated official in 32 of 50 states (and in all five U.S. territories). Hawaiian is official in Hawaii, 20 Native languages are official in Alaska, and Sioux is official in South Dakota. Samoan is an official language in American Samoa, Chamorro is an offici The United S... 12.6 blacks in America And you’re right, **Drunky** , I am not very smart. Its why I have to look shit up all the time. So I’m not as smart as you, I just know more. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/75 "2012-10-25T15:44:47Z")
[QUOTE=Sarah Palin] " I would appreciate it if the media refrained from using words and phrases like igloo, Eskimo Pie, and “when hell freezes over”, as they might be considered offensive by my extended Alaska Native family." [/QUOTE] Did she just admit that Alaska is hell? ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/76 "2012-10-25T15:45:41Z")
Drunky Smurf, I’m sorry your mother didn’t love you enough, and also that you’re a hateful bigot. Sad sad sad. Your examples of your friend and Flava FLAAAAV are shitty. They’re specific people. One who you know personally that actually enjoys fried chicken and one that opened some restaurants. If you believe that to be the same as saying “I bet Obama likes fried chicken and watermelon,” you’re making a despicable and indefensible statement. Seems pretty obvious at this point that you’re just a troll. No wonder you’re such a Coulter fan. ---
**Author:** ![3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/47e85d/32.png) [@3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3_20_59_or_bust)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/77 "2012-10-25T15:46:58Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > Which is why I love them. It’s hilarious seeing the retards get all “outraged” over the stupid bullshit they say. The tards try ever so hard to get all offended at the tiniest of bullshit. > > Well I’m about to blow your fucking mind. My friend of 11 years, Josh, a black person, likes fried chicken\*. OMG I’ma fucking racist!!! Quick someone ban me for saying a black person likes fried chicken. > > Maybe I should be double banned because I’m about to be a racist again. > > Flavor Flav likes fried chicken. He likes it so much he opened several restuarants serving fried chicken. > > WARNING: All leftie-tards should put on their protective anti-racist magical underwear. Or whatever retarded stupid shit the retard elucidator usually says. > > [Check out Flavor Flav's new Las Vegas restaurant and some of his competition - Las Vegas Sun News](http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/mar/16/check-out-flavor-flavs-new-las-vegas-restaurant-an/) > > \*He’s never eaten watermelon and doesn’t see the appeal of it. I wonder if Josh knows how lucky he is to have you for a friend. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/78 "2012-10-25T15:53:08Z")
> [@3\_20\_59\_or\_bust](#): > > I wonder if Josh knows how lucky he is to have you for a friend. Something tells me Josh is only around so that DS can use the phrase “Hey, it’s ok… I have friends that are black!” ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/79 "2012-10-25T16:18:48Z")
> [@waterj2](#): > > OK, which of our resident Republican apologists drew the short straw and is going to have to defend this one? To be fair, \*you \*try getting long straw on a short bus. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2012, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784/80 "2012-10-25T16:31:38Z")
> [@Bob Ducca](#): > > Drunky Smurf, I’m sorry your mother didn’t love you enough That’s kind of my fault… she only had so much lovin’ to give. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-be-shuckin-n-jivin-dontchyaknow/638784.md?page=5)