# Obama calls for independent Palestine, 1967 borders **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 19, 2011, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500 "2011-05-19T20:46:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![JimH52](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f17d59/32.png) [@JimH52](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JimH52)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2011, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/601 "2011-06-13T22:23:05Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > If W. JLEM is not a settlement, then Israel froze settlements. > > Freezing of settlements was not a precondition until Obama made it so. Show me a link. ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/602 "2011-06-14T17:46:12Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > If W. JLEM is not a settlement, then Israel froze settlements. > > Freezing of settlements was not a precondition until Obama made it so. Yes, if you say that settlements aren’t actually settlements then Israel did indeed freeze settlement building. I can’t argue with that logic. What I would say is that there are actual settlements in East Jerusalem, settlements that the world outside of Israel considers illegal, and settlements that Israel refused to stop building on. Israel were asked to temporarily freeze illegal building of houses in land that they’d illegally appropriated. They weren’t asked to permanently stop building, just to stop while negotiations were being held. The reason they were asked to stop building was to show good faith in the negotiations. After all, if you’re claiming that you want a peaceful settlement while at the same time you continue to illegally build on land you’ve illegally appropriated and would have to hand back in any settlement, it doesn’t convince anybody of your honourable intentions! And they wouldn’t do it. They wouldn’t agree to a basic condition that even the United States, not exactly an honest broker in the peace process, wanted israel to agree to, not to mention various Israeli political parties. And can you describe the settlemts in Arab Jerusalem as settlements? Let’s ask the Israelis : \*One day after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that Jerusalem will not be divided, the speaker of the Knesset and several other government ministers attended a dedication ceremony for the new Jewish settlement of Ma’aleh Zeitim, in East Jerusalem’s Ras al-Amud neighborhood… Ma’aleh Zeitim is projected to house 110 families. An adjacent neighborhood, Ma’aleh David, still in the planning stages, would add an additional 90 homes to the area, making the combined area the largest Jewish settlement in East Jerusalem. \* > **[Day after Netanyahu addresses Congress, his ministers inaugurate East...](https://www.haaretz.com/2011-05-25/ty-article/day-after-netanyahu-addresses-congress-his-ministers-inaugurate-east-jerusalem-settlement/0000017f-e8e9-d62c-a1ff-fcfb7a6c0000)** > > Knesset speaker at ceremony comments on Obama's recent Mideast policy speech, asking what will happen if 'one day there is a president that thinks Israel's existence contradicts America's interest?' and **Israel defies Obama over Jerusalem settlements** ``` Richard Beeston, Foreign Editor Israel will defy American pressure to halt the construction of controversial Jewish housing in Arab east Jerusalem, when President Obama meets Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s Prime Minister, in the White House today............ ``` But any hopes of a compromise were dashed yesterday when Nir Barkat, the Mayor of Jerusalem, insisted that Jewish settlements would go ahead in spite of US objections… His remarks, and those of Mr Barkat, were in sharp contrast to the views expressed by Hillary Clinton, the US Secretary of State, yesterday in an address to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the powerful Israel lobby meeting in Washington. She said: “New construction in east Jerusalem or the West Bank undermines mutual trust and endangers the proximity talks that are the first step toward the full negotiations that both sides want and need,” she said. > **[Latest news & breaking headlines](https://www.thetimes.com/)** > > The latest breaking UK, US, world, business and sport news from The Times and The Sunday Times. Go beyond today's headlines with in-depth analysis and comment. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/603 "2011-06-14T18:38:01Z")
Ha’Aretz is a leftist newspaper. It doesn’t matter what you call it - any place where Jews settle in groups is a ‘settlement’ - but you’re asking me if Israel halted settlements. It annexed Jerusalem decades ago. Obama also said years ago that we should worry about Iran’s nuke facilities and ‘talk about it’ but not ‘talk about it’ indefinitely. So far, Obama’s middle east policies have been largely…ineffective. [Source:](http://www.newsweek.com/2011/04/24/the-wrath-of-abbas.html) > [@](#): > > A week earlier, he told me bluntly that Obama had led him on, and then let him down by failing to keep pressure on Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for a moratorium on settlement building in the West Bank last year.\*\* “It was Obama who suggested a full settlement freeze,” Abbas explained. “I said OK, I accept. We both went up the tree. After that, he came down with a ladder and he removed the ladder and said to me, jump. Three times he did it.” \*\*Abbas also criticized the mediation efforts of Obama’s special envoy, George Mitchell, who has shuttled between Israelis and Palestinians for more than two years. “Every visit by Mitchell, we talked to him and gave him some ideas. At the end we discovered that he didn’t convey any of these ideas to the Israelis. What does it mean?” It is my understanding that, post Gaza, Netanyahu was very hesitant at peace talks and settlement freezes, re: fear of a Hamas-controlled government in a new Palestinian state (not to mention his own party’s right line). Arguing about settlements is pretty moot, unless you want me to bring up other erroneous facts, such as Abbas’s allowing of sharia-style law in the WB or his turning a blind eye to terrorism. _shrug_ ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/604 "2011-06-15T17:43:24Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Ha’Aretz is a leftist newspaper. It doesn’t matter what you call it - any place where Jews settle in groups is a ‘settlement’ - but you’re asking me if Israel halted settlements. > > It annexed Jerusalem decades ago. > > Obama also said years ago that we should worry about Iran’s nuke facilities and ‘talk about it’ but not ‘talk about it’ indefinitely. So far, Obama’s middle east policies have been largely…ineffective. > > [Source:](http://www.newsweek.com/2011/04/24/the-wrath-of-abbas.html) > > It is my understanding that, post Gaza, Netanyahu was very hesitant at peace talks and settlement freezes, re: fear of a Hamas-controlled government in a new Palestinian state (not to mention his own party’s right line). > > Arguing about settlements is pretty moot, unless you want me to bring up other erroneous facts, such as Abbas’s allowing of sharia-style law in the WB or his turning a blind eye to terrorism. _shrug_ Here’s the most right-wing newspaper in Israel calling the settlements in East jeruslaem settlements then : > **[Republicans slam Obama's hard line towards Israel](https://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3863245,00.html)** > > House Republican Whip Eric Cantor says spat with Israel 'jeopardizes America's national security', while another senior party member concerned about administration's 'softer approaches' toward Palestinian Authority, Syria and Iran I think most people would describe the Israeli settlemts in Arab Jerusalem as settlements. Whether Haaretz is a leftist newspaper or not, it’s an Israeli newspaper. I don’t see how trying to change the subject alters the fact that israel are quite clearly building illegal settlements on land in jerusalem that they illegally occupy. If you want to try and srgue that the settlements aren’t illegal or that the land they’re being built on isn’t being illegally occupied then go ahead, don’t try and change the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/605 "2011-06-15T17:50:43Z")
[quote=“Dick\_Dastardly, post:604, topic:582500”] Here’s the most right-wing newspaper in Israel calling the settlements in East jeruslaem settlements then : > **[Republicans slam Obama's hard line towards Israel](https://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3863245,00.html)** > > House Republican Whip Eric Cantor says spat with Israel 'jeopardizes America's national security', while another senior party member concerned about administration's 'softer approaches' toward Palestinian Authority, Syria and Iran 😛 That is _not_ the most right-wing paper in Israel. Besides, you forgot my point: All settlement are settlements: in or out of Israel. What’s \*your \*point? Groups of Jews that have built towns and communities have been called settlements long before Israel existed. A kibbutz or a town outside of Carmel is/was a [settlement](outside of Carmel), as was Gush Kativ. > [@](#): > > Zikhron Ya’akov (Hebrew: זִכְרוֹן יַעֲקֹב‎‎, lit. “Jacob’s Memorial”; often shortened to just Zikhron) is a town in Israel, 35 kilometres (22 mi) south of Haifa, and part of the Haifa District. It is located at the southern end of the Carmel mountain range overlooking the Mediterranean Sea, near the coastal highway (Highway 2). It was one of the first Jewish settlements of Halutzim in the country, founded in 1882 by Baron Edmond James de Rothschild and named in honor of his father.[1] > [@](#): > > I think most people would describe the Israeli settlemts in Arab Jerusalem as settlements. Whether Haaretz is a leftist newspaper or not, it’s an Israeli newspaper. That doesn’t mean anything. It’s an English newspaper that caters to overseas readers. > [@](#): > > I don’t see how trying to change the subject alters the fact that israel are quite clearly building illegal settlements on land in jerusalem that they illegally occupy. If you want to try and srgue that the settlements aren’t illegal or that the land they’re being built on isn’t being illegally occupied then go ahead, don’t try and change the subject. We have already argued that. I think at this point, it’s best to agree to disagree. If not, you are free to re-read my 10,000 comments on the subject. And let’s stop with this 1967 borders bullshit. Pre-67 borders are 1948 borders. That’s what it comes down to, and that is not what Israel will do. Israel bends to the militant left often enough. It won’t allow racist right-wing Zionist parties to participate in elections, but it allows racist left-wing anti-Israel parties to participate in elections…because to not do so would make Israel an ‘apartheid state’. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/606 "2011-06-15T18:06:23Z")
[quote=“CitizenPained, post:605, topic:582500”] > [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > Here’s the most right-wing newspaper in Israel calling the settlements in East jeruslaem settlements then : > > [http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3863245,00.html](http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3863245,00.html) > > 😛 That is _not_ the most right-wing paper in Israel. Besides, you forgot my point: All settlement are settlements: in or out of Israel. What’s \*your \*point? Groups of Jews that have built towns and communities have been called settlements long before Israel existed. A kibbutz or a town outside of Carmel is/was a [settlement](http://outside%20of%20Carmel), as was Gush Kativ. > > That doesn’t mean anything. It’s an English newspaper that caters to overseas readers. > > We have already argued that. I think at this point, it’s best to agree to disagree. If not, you are free to re-read my 10,000 comments on the subject. > > And let’s stop with this 1967 borders bullshit. Pre-67 borders are 1948 borders. That’s what it comes down to, and that is not what Israel will do. > > Israel bends to the militant left often enough. It won’t allow racist right-wing Zionist parties to participate in elections, but it allows racist left-wing anti-Israel parties to participate in elections…because to not do so would make Israel an ‘apartheid state’. :rolleyes: If it isn’t the most right-wing newspaper in israel it’s definitely right out on the right. And if they’re calling the settlemnts settlements then I think that would convince most reasonable people that the settlements are indeed settlements. Yes, israelis have lived in groups called settlements for a long time. But the issue here is a freeze in constructing illegal settlements in land illegally occupied. Haaretz is an English newspaper in the same way that the Wailing Wall is in London. And if you actually want to make an argument about the settlments or the land they’re on not being illegal then go ahead. Trying to argue the settlements aren’t settlements is just silly. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/607 "2011-06-15T19:36:20Z")
[quote=“Dick\_Dastardly, post:606, topic:582500”] > [@CitizenPained](#): > > If it isn’t the most right-wing newspaper in israel it’s definitely right out on the right. And if they’re calling the settlemnts settlements then I think that would convince most reasonable people that the settlements are indeed settlements. > > Yes, israelis have lived in groups called settlements for a long time. But the issue here is a freeze in constructing illegal settlements in land illegally occupied. > > Haaretz is an English newspaper in the same way that the Wailing Wall is in London. > > And if you actually want to make an argument about the settlments or the land they’re on not being illegal then go ahead. Trying to argue the settlements aren’t settlements is just silly. I’m not. I’m saying that settlements are settlements: they’re planned neighborhoods. Sure, you can call them settlements – legal ones. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Dick\_Dastardly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@Dick\_Dastardly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dick_Dastardly)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/608 "2011-06-16T16:25:09Z")
[quote=“CitizenPained, post:607, topic:582500”] > [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > I’m not. I’m saying that settlements are settlements: they’re planned neighborhoods. Sure, you can call them settlements – legal ones. 😉 You can call them legal but the rest of the world and international law wouldn’t agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/609 "2011-06-16T20:48:14Z")
[quote=“Dick\_Dastardly, post:608, topic:582500”] > [@CitizenPained](#): > > You can call them legal but the rest of the world and\*\* international law\*\* wouldn’t agree with you. Cite? edit: IF you want to tout intl law, Palestinians would be ‘breaking’ it by going directly to the U.N. 😉 If the PA wants to act unilaterally, so can Israel. And that means the PA will lose. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2011, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/610 "2011-06-16T22:46:34Z")
> [@Dick\_Dastardly](#): > > You can call them legal but the rest of the world and international law wouldn’t agree with you. I believe we dealt with the “Then fuck the rest of the world!” shit earlier. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/611 "2011-06-17T18:53:07Z")
Tell me, what power does international law have? None. Hamas violates international law constantly, and what do you want to do? There is nothing to do. Its up to Israel to deal wth it. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 5:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/612 "2011-06-19T05:02:31Z")
Not even the USA recognizes the Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem. BTW, where is that cite for Obama making freezing of settlements a precondition to negotiations? ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2011, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/613 "2011-06-19T05:10:22Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Not even the USA recognizes the Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem. > > BTW, where is that cite for Obama making freezing of settlements a precondition to negotiations? I already gave you the cite, Damuri, where Abu said that Obama suggested it and left him up a tree. But here’s a report where was for it [before he dropped it](http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/22/us.mideast/). Obama asked Israel to stop building so they could negotiate. That is a precondition. > [@](#): > > “Simply put, it is past time to talk about starting negotiations. It is time to move forward,” Obama told reporters before a meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Edit: While I don’t know of a formal position on E. Jerusalem that’s stuck from admin to admin (besides _we’ll discuss it later_), Senators have repeatedly tried to recognize it. And it doesn’t matter if the U.S. recognizes E. J’lem or not. For all intents and purposes, it is part of Israel’s capital. I don’t think Israel should have to give it up, but I think **access** to Jerusalem is completely fair. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2011, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/614 "2011-06-22T06:53:15Z")
Eneteressstttinggg. [SCOTUS to decide if ‘born in J’lem’ means ‘Israeli’](http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-usa-israel-passport-idUSTRE7415IX20110502) > [@](#): > > (Reuters) - The Supreme Court said on Monday it would hear an appeal by parents who want Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to record Israel, not just Jerusalem, on their son’s U.S. passport. My bookmarked page is gone, so I went to the State Dept’s website to see if they had Jlem listed (the CIA factbook does) and nothing was listed, but [this page](http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1064.html) doesn’t say Jerusalem isn’t in Israel, though lately the SD’s statements have distinguished the two. > [@](#): > > The Consular Section of the U.S. Consulate General in Jerusalem is located at14 David Flusser, Jerusalem 93392 (Near the former Diplomat Hotel, now the Caprice Diamond Center). The U.S. mailing address is 6350 Jerusalem Place, Dulles, VA 20189-6350. The telephone number is (972) (2) 622-7230. The Consular Section’s public telephone number for information and assistance is (972) (2)630-4000, Monday through Friday. For after-hours emergencies directly involving an American citizen (after 4:30 p.m. and before 8:00 a.m. local time,) calls should be directed to (972) (2) 622-7250. The Consular Section’s fax number is (972) (2) 630-4070.You may contact the Consulate by e-mail. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/615 "2011-06-24T03:33:33Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > This is a non-starter. Even Finn agrees that Palestine must be a sovereign power with its own military. For the love of… yet again, this is there is a claim that I’ve said something, and no cite. The standard applies as always: if Damuri claims that I’ve said or done something, please check for a cite.The question of whether or not any future Palestinian state could/should/must be demilitarized is an interesting question, to be sure. But I’d hope that folks realize the problem with taking an un-cited assertion at face value, especially when that citeless assertion about the content of my posts comes from someone who makes it a point to talk about how he doesn’t actually read my posts. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/616 "2011-06-25T04:35:13Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > For the love of… yet again, this is there is a claim that I’ve said something, and no cite. The standard applies as always: if Damuri claims that I’ve said or done something, please check for a cite.The question of whether or not any future Palestinian state could/should/must be demilitarized is an interesting question, to be sure. > > But I’d hope that folks realize the problem with taking an un-cited assertion at face value, especially when that citeless assertion about the content of my posts comes from someone who makes it a point to talk about how he doesn’t actually read my posts. > > Thanks. Hey, welcome back. Thanks for accusing me of lying. Maybe my memory is failing me but I remember a debate when you said that any negotiation had to be with a Palestine that could DELIVER peace and I asked if that meant they could have a military (after all how does a demilitarized state enforce peace on its terrorist populace?) and I thought your answer was yes. I remember your answer shocking me at the time but it was the logical conclusion for anyone that would demand that the new Palestinian state prevent terrorism within its borders. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/617 "2011-06-25T14:12:18Z")
Damuri, I thought you had Finn on ignore. You’ve certainly claimed so repeatedly. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/618 "2011-06-26T00:56:03Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Hey, welcome back. Thanks for accusing me of lying. He did not accuse you of lying. He accused you of making unsupported assertions. Stop making everything needlessly personal. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/619 "2011-06-26T01:07:54Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I thought you had Finn on ignore. If we don’t want posters announcing who is on their ignore list, we certainly don’t want third parties getting into the middle of their conflicts. Leave it alone. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2011, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500/620 "2011-06-26T05:11:09Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > If we don’t want posters announcing who is on their ignore list, we certainly don’t want third parties getting into the middle of their conflicts. > > Leave it alone. > > [/Moderating] Huh? I merely asked a question. Damuri has repeatedly claimed he had Finn on ignore and then just quoted him. What’s wrong with asking him how this came to be? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-calls-for-independent-palestine-1967-borders/582500.md?page=32)