# Obama campaign: arrogant AND stupid! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631 "2008-09-15T00:21:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/21 "2008-09-15T03:44:30Z")
ETA: ^^^^ heh. Right on! > [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > teh Google on the intartubes. Doing this makes you look like a dumbass, but at least that makes it consistent with the rest of the post. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/22 "2008-09-15T03:52:49Z")
> [@neutron\_star](#): > > ETA: ^^^^ heh. Right on! > > Doing this makes you look like a dumbass, but at least that makes it consistent with the rest of the post. _smile_ I’m glad I’m not the only one. Internet. It’s the Internet. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/23 "2008-09-15T04:17:22Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Thank god you’re here to raise the tone. Do I know you? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/24 "2008-09-15T09:34:04Z")
> [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](#): > > Do I know you? Phil? Phil Connors? ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/25 "2008-09-15T09:36:03Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Phil? Phil Connors? Hey now, don’t you tell me you don’t remember me 'cause I sure as heckfire remember you! BING! ---
**Author:** ![bluecanary](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bluecanary/32/3614_2.png) [@bluecanary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bluecanary)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 9:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/26 "2008-09-15T09:38:42Z")
Uh, I (Brit, hoping for an Obama victory) agree with the OP. I saw that ad on Daily Kos and thought _“WTF, way to offend a large segment of your target audience, Democrats”_! ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/27 "2008-09-15T11:04:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yeah, I thought it was a pretty tone deaf ad. But it’s just one ad. It’ll be forgotten next week. Beyond tone deaf, it was idiotic, ammunition to the opposition. The portion that should concern pro-O Boy Americans is that the bloody thing got approved. Now were I McC Man, I’d go for the snobby Left angle with it in replying, would play wonderfully to the well-established image of the Am. Left as elitist snobs. How anyone could have thought that advert was a good idea… (ah wait, someone of the same politics and demographics as much of this board, bingo). ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/28 "2008-09-15T11:37:21Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > Beyond tone deaf, it was idiotic, ammunition to the opposition. The portion that should concern pro-O Boy Americans is that the bloody thing got approved. Now were I McC Man, I’d go for the snobby Left angle with it in replying, would play wonderfully to the well-established image of the Am. Left as elitist snobs. > > How anyone could have thought that advert was a good idea… (ah wait, someone of the same politics and demographics as much of this board, bingo). Did you really just use the word “boy” in contemptuous reference to an African-American? ---
**Author:** ![Rubystreak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Rubystreak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rubystreak)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/29 "2008-09-15T11:59:23Z")
> [@PaulParkhead](#): > > Did you really just use the word “boy” in contemptuous reference to an African-American? In contrast to calling McCain the McC Man. But it’s the Obama campaign supporters that are arrogant and stupid. Huh. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/30 "2008-09-15T13:00:04Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > Phil? Phil Connors? Oh now I remember. How’s the kids? You know Ted still hasn’t recovered from the banana incident? ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/31 "2008-09-15T13:12:44Z")
It’s a sly way of suggesting that McCain is too old and infirm for the top job. The discussion we’re having here to the effect that the ad is unfair because of McCain’s injuries, is precisely the one the Obama campaign wants us to have. It’s hardball politics worthy of Mark Penn or Karl Rove. Take your opponent’s purported strength (the POW/war hero story, and decades of experience in government) and make it a weakness. It will work. It’s already working. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/32 "2008-09-15T14:29:36Z")
As far as I’m concerned, if freakin’ _**[Karl Rove](http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014716.php)**_ says the McCain has gone too far in its ads against Obama, then Barack’s campaign has a looooooooong way to go before it even hits the “sleazy” mark. Besides, he IS too old, messed up and out of touch to be president, not to mention the four time invasive melanoma situation. Shoot, he won’t release his medical records and that’s a huge red flag to me. My stepdad died of invasive melanoma that recurred in his brain and lungs ten years after the original skin cancer was removed. Dude has one foot in the grave and one foot on a banana peel but it’s somehow not okay to mention this? Aaaaaall RIGHTY, then. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![lightingtool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/57b2e6/32.png) [@lightingtool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lightingtool)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/33 "2008-09-15T16:22:35Z")
I’m pretty sure McCain did release his medical records during the primary campaign. See [here](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/24/medical_records_state_mccain_fit_cancer_free/). I should also point out that I just found that article through Google, so I may very well be missing something… ---
**Author:** ![wmfellows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c2a13f/32.png) [@wmfellows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wmfellows)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/34 "2008-09-15T19:38:51Z")
> [@PaulParkhead](#): > > Did you really just use the word “boy” in contemptuous reference to an African-American? No, I used Boy as a jocular reference to a man named Obama. O Boy, McC Man. Plays on the sounds of each. Get a bloody life. Now, were I an American from your humid and disgusting southern regions, and ref’d to your O Boy as “That Boy” with a certain accent, then perhaps your overly sensitive parts might have point. In any case, I moderately prefer O Boy to win, as I expect greater fiscal rectitude from him, versus McC Man. Tis the Faux Outrage season, tralalalala. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/35 "2008-09-15T19:50:45Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > … as I expect greater fiscal rectitude from him, versus McC Man… “Rectitude”, eh? Pretty close to saying “asshole”! We’re on to you. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/36 "2008-09-15T23:16:36Z")
> [@lightingtool](#): > > I’m pretty sure McCain did release his medical records during the primary campaign. See [here](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/24/medical_records_state_mccain_fit_cancer_free/). > > I should also point out that I just found that article through Google, so I may very well be missing something… Well you are missing that: > [@](#): > > The campaign choreographed the release of the records: it posted a summary online, organized a conference call with McCain’s doctors, and gave a select group of reporters three hours to pore over records in Arizona, but not make photocopies. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2008, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/37 "2008-09-15T23:54:12Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Do you honestly have no idea how stupid that makes you sound? Shit, you folks are so worked up about this you don’t know you’ve been WHOOSHED! 🆒 > [@SmartAleq](#): > > As far as I’m concerned, if freakin’ Karl Rove says the McCain has gone too far in its ads against Obama, then Barack’s campaign has a looooooooong way to go before it even hits the “sleazy” mark. You mean you BELIEVE Karl Rove all of a sudden? I don’t know exactly what Rove said, but he probably meant McCain should just play rope-a-dope and just let the Obama campaign attack in increasing frenzy making themselves look even worse. Which is actually the exact right thing to do, and some commentators on the right have said so. I hope McCain listens. And I can’t believe I’m saying this: On this one occasion, Diogenes the Cynic is absolutely right [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10193904:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10193904:) “Attacks on Palin only give her more publicity and play into the victim card.” Too bad he goes right on with the attacks anyway. > [@Merkwurdigliebe](#): > > The point is, the Obama folks know a shitload more about this stuff than you give them credit for. You mean they put out bullshit because they know people will believe bullshit? I thought Republicans were the only ones that cynical. > [@](#): > > I’d be careful what you wish for. As I wrote in the OP, it’s almost too good to be true. McCain could blow it yet. > [@Frostillicus](#): > > Good point. I remember well how Hillary Clinton just rolled over and played dead in the primaries. :rolleyes: Note that I said “offices”. A primary campaign is not as harsh as a campaign for office because your fellow party members won’t attack you as hard as your opponents, if for no other reason than not to piss off the rest of their party. Obama for Illinois state senator: for the primary, his Democratic opponent withdrew. When she wanted back in at the last minute, he could have been a nice guy and withdrawn, but he said no, which was perfectly within his rights. And his district was solid Democratic anyway, so the Republican had no chance. Obama for US senator: no real competition from the Republicans. Plus, the Republican’s sealed divorce records were illegally leaked, revealing some really sleazy stuff. Hillary for US senator: Giuliani withdrew, leaving the field to her. Her campaign inexperience is confirmed in that toward the later primaries her speech and general presentation were noticeably more polished. If she had had a real campaign, her rough edges would have already been smoothed off. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/38 "2008-09-16T00:58:23Z")
> [@rowrrbazzle](#): > > You mean you BELIEVE Karl Rove all of a sudden? I don’t know exactly what Rove said, but he probably meant McCain should just play rope-a-dope and just let the Obama campaign attack in increasing frenzy making themselves look even worse. Which is actually the exact right thing to do, and some commentators on the right have said so. I hope McCain listens. Um, you DID notice that there was a link in my post, right? One that went directly to a quote from Karl Rove, along with a video of Karl Rove saying said quote? Guess not–so to help you out, he said this: > [@Karl Rove](#): > > But host Chris Wallace asked, “All right, for fair game, what does McCain do that goes one step too far?” > > Rove responded, “McCain has similarly gone one step too far, attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100% truth test.” As for believing him, I figure nobody knows better than Rove what a lie is or what’s sleazy. He may be a swollen poison toad with a front paw that smells like candidate shit masquerading as human but he does know shit from shinola when it comes to lies and skankiness. ---
**Author:** ![PaulParkhead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7ea924/32.png) [@PaulParkhead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PaulParkhead)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/39 "2008-09-16T02:06:45Z")
> [@wmfellows](#): > > No, I used Boy as a jocular reference to a man named Obama. O Boy, McC Man. Plays on the sounds of each. Get a bloody life. > > Now, were I an American from your humid and disgusting southern regions, and ref’d to your O Boy as “That Boy” with a certain accent, then perhaps your overly sensitive parts might have point. > > In any case, I moderately prefer O Boy to win, as I expect greater fiscal rectitude from him, versus McC Man. > > Tis the Faux Outrage season, tralalalala. OK mate, it’s your funeral. Oh, I’m not an American either. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631/40 "2008-09-16T02:12:53Z")
> [@lightingtool](#): > > I’m pretty sure McCain did release his medical records during the primary campaign. See [here](http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/24/medical_records_state_mccain_fit_cancer_free/). > > I should also point out that I just found that article through Google, so I may very well be missing something… He released his records to 30 selected reporters. They were not allowed to take them. They were not allowed to photograph them. They had 3 hrs to read them. then were ushered out. They were 1157 pages long. Is that full disclosure where you live? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-campaign-arrogant-and-stupid/463631.md?page=3)