Oh, yeah. This is what will help unemployment in this country–adding 800,00 illegal aliens to the workforce.
To all of you unemployed high school kids looking for summer jobs and recent college graduates: A big “Suck It”, brought to you courtesy of President Obama.
And, to anyone thinking that this is not a step toward amnesty/citizenship…your glasses aren’t rose-colored. They’re spray painted black.
This is not a slippery clope. This is a cliff.
Say what? Even aiding and abetting illegal immigration is a crime.
To say that this is amnesty is to be spreading misinformation. There are enough misinformed conservatives in this thread without you reinforcing their misconceptions.
This is a promise not to be deported. It’s not permanent legalization.
Those bills largely involve cutting environmental regulations and decreasing taxes. Things that will not create jobs in a time of lowered demand.
I’ll grant that maybe one or two of them may not be moronic, but please, tell me which one: http://www.gop.gov/indepth/jobs/tracker
He’s institutionally ignoring a law. He’s allowing foreign nationals to break our laws and take our jobs which is doubly absurd given the high unemployment rate.
While it’s nice that the President is concerned for the welfare of people from other nations he represents the United States and it’s citizens. If he wants to run for President of Mexico then more power to him.
No. He’s using the powers granted him by the law. There is a difference.
No, he’s allowing children brought here who have gone to school or the military to stay provisionally on a two year basis. What’s absurd is your inability to understand the concept.
That’s just nonsense, so I won’t respond to it, except with this sentence.
Only, what jobs are they taking? When Alabama passed HB 56 undocumented labourers left. And so did Hispanic workers who were there legally, since they feared harassment. Farmers found it difficult to fill the open positions. Alabamians found the work too difficult, and many quit before completing a single day. Some lasted a day. The ones who actually did try to tough it out harvested a fraction of the produce the undocumented workers did. By and large non-Hispanic workers decided that farm work wasn’t worth their time. I just don’t buy the ‘They took ahr jerbs!’ argument.
Also, illegal immigrants are a net benefit to the economy. Those using falsified documents pay taxes, but will never receive the paybacks citizens do. Even those being payed under the table pay taxes when they buy food, fuel, or anything else. Again, they put in more than they will receive. The money they spend supports local businesses that employ non-immigrant (or legal immigrant) workers who spend the money they make. And those businesses pay taxes, so it’s good for the state and country as a whole.
He takes an oath to uphold the laws of our land. He is deliberately instructing law enforcement not to enforce those laws. There is not disputable.
Yes, he’s allowing illegal aliens to go to school (partially funded by taxpayer money) and then use that education to take jobs from legal citizens. He’s doing this while we are in a high state of unemployment. There is no dispute in any of this.
Article 2, Section 3, Clause 4 of the Constitution:
The President must “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.”
There’s absolutely no requirement to renew an O visa from outside the U.S. In fact, I’ll be renewing one next week for someone who is currently in the U.S. Same for a TN, though with a TN in particular it often makes sense to renew at the border because you can have it adjudicated on the spot.
No, what is not disputable is that you continue to not understand the issue.
The law says he gets to direct the process. We have only enough resources to deport some small amount of the people here illegally. He has already decided that deportation of criminals is the priority. He has now further decided that we’re not wasting out deporting resources on young people who meet the requirements he set out.
So, you’re wrong. Gracefully admit it and move on. Or just stop posting in the thread and pretend that you won. Either way.
They are already here. And many have degrees or may join the military. If they are in the open, they can be job creators themselves.
See above.
Just file it within the 90 days before your conditional green card expires, and then it doesn’t really matter how long USCIS takes to adjudicate it. When you get the receipt notice, you will see that it extends the validity of your green card an additional year while the petition to remove the conditions on your green card is being processed. If, for some bizarre reason, USCIS takes longer than a year to process it (which is extremely rare), you can go down to your local office and get additional one-year extension stamps if needed. No sweat.
The OP’s linked article doesn’t mention it, but yes:
Yes, but being in the country illegally is not. Again, we’re also talking about people who entered the country as minors.
Nope, read the memo.
"Under this directive, individuals who demonstrate that they meet the following criteria will be eligible for an exercise of discretion, specifically deferred action, on a case by case basis:
1.Came to the United States under the age of sixteen;
2.Have continuously resided in the United States for a least five years preceding the date of this memorandum and are present in the United States on the date of this memorandum;
3.Are currently in school, have graduated from high school, have obtained a general education development certificate, or are honorably discharged veterans of the Coast Guard or Armed Forces of the United States;
4.Have not been convicted of a felony offense, a significant misdemeanor offense, multiple misdemeanor offenses, or otherwise pose a threat to national security or public safety;
5.Are not above the age of thirty.
Only those individuals who can prove through verifiable documentation that they meet these criteria will be eligible for deferred action. Individuals will not be eligible if they are not currently in the United States and cannot prove that they have been physically present in the United States for a period of not less than 5 years immediately preceding today’s date. Deferred action requests are decided on a case-by-case basis. DHS cannot provide any assurance that all such requests will be granted. The use of prosecutorial discretion confers no substantive right, immigration status, or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights."
So of note, this will not be granted across the board to everyone who meets the basic criteria. Many things are up in the air: what is “verifiable documentation”? What is “a significant misdemeanor offense”?
This does not provide a path to citizenship, or even permanent residence. It’s regulatory limbo. We will see when further details come out, because for sure the devil will be in the details on this one.
Missed the edit window on previous post, but wanted to add:
As I pointed out on the previous page, Congressional enactments governing immigration and deportation- most of Title 8- give the executive considerable discretion in how and when to enforce immigration law. Eva can probably quote chapter and verse. We’re not talking about the President ignoring his duty; we’re talking about the President exercising authority Congress has specifically ceded to him. See Jay v. Boyd, for example, discussing 8 USC §§ 1103 and 1254:
I trust that you are reassured that the President is not abandoning his office, and that you, Magiver and others can move on to discussing whether the plan is a good one, rather than a legal one.
These aren’t onion pickers we’re talking about. These are people who have, illegally, benefitted from our educational system, probably graduated from college (with in-state tuition rates), utilized social services and medical facilities supported by citizens’ taxes, and who are about to (if they haven’t already) taken jobs that are in short supply.
Are they good people? Maybe. Even probably. But they aren’t citizens! Is that so difficult to understand? And, do not go on to say something sarcastic like, "Oh, that sounds really terrible–having good people living and working here–because that’s not the point! We already have good people here with much more right to the jobs than illegal aliens.
How much of this is offset by what they cost? I don’t know. How much do they send back to Guatemala? I don’t know. How many of them are coerced into performing illegal acts under threat of being revealed as alien? I don’t know. How many of them work under less than acceptable conditions because their employers can get away with it? I don’t know. How many are injured or die trying to make their way here? I don’t know.
But I do know that, if they weren’t here, none of that would be happening.
Look, if farm workers want to come here and work-- legally–, fine. No problem. But simply the fact of having been here for soooooo long does not and should not negate the illegality of the act.
What’s next–they set up squatters’ camps in national parks and then claim ownership of the land because, well, they’ve been there for sooooo long?
Some people don’t seem to realize how much discretion public officials have to selectively enforce laws. This applies from President all the way down to the local beat cop. It may apply to how a law is interpreted or how the specific enforcement is carried out, or even not carried out. There has to be some leeway for discretion or a system may become logjammed, unworkable, or indefensible on moral or other grounds. If there is disagreement on the issue, it generally ends up in court or resolved in the ballot box; sometimes both.
"Section 1325 in Title 8 of the United States Code, “Improper entry of alien”, provides for a fine, imprisonment, or both for any immigrant who:[47]
1.enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration agents, or
2.eludes examination or inspection by immigration agents, or
3.attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact.
The maximum prison term is 6 months for the first offense and 2 years for any subsequent offense. In addition to the above criminal fines and penalties, civil fines may also be imposed."
Your argument is hereby nullified. Don’t use it again.
Did you read what you posted? Did you read what you quoted? Do you understand the difference between entry and presence?
The President specifically talked about the ability to apply for college scholarships in his speach so on the highest level of discussion that would mean college level jobs.
We have a visa mechanism that allows for seasonal labor requirements.
cite? take away the taxes not paid because of under the table work and add the social cost of the uninsured, the incarcerated, primary education, and college education. It runs into the billions.
We are a nation comprised almost entirely of immigrants. The process of immigrating allows for a controlled number of people coming into the country. We want immigrants to come here but in reasonable numbers. It’s not an open invitation.
Just for kicks, here’s a bit more nitty-gritty on program implementation.
And yes, it does look like the employment authorization application is the regular I-765 form, which is filed while the applicant is in the U.S.; it’s the same application as for students finishing degrees at U.S. universities, or for people requesting interim employment authorization while their green card applications are pending, or many, many other purposes. It’s a simple one-page form.