# Obama: don't give in to those fuckers **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 6, 2010, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158 "2010-12-06T16:36:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/61 "2010-12-07T03:59:13Z")
What he has shown to me is that having to risk people or risk losing, he’ll risk losing. That counts for all lot with me. Now, maybe some of you are right, maybe the Pubbies would have caved. But what if they didn’t? What if they are just as fucked up as I think they are? Who pays the freight for that? That sound? That was hundreds of thousands of people breathing a sigh of relief, people I know, people you know. And if they are not our people, who’s are they? Who else in the world has a responsibility to them, if not us? Sometimes to do good, you have to eat some shit. OK, here’s my spoon, here’s my grin… And there’s a couple other litlle goodies in that package that we don’t have to fight seperately over. Givin’ them bitches tax cuts, bitches love tax cuts! As for the rich, they don’t use pencils, so they don’t know that they have erasers. And the Wall is patient… ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/62 "2010-12-07T04:15:45Z")
> [@](#): > > [http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/us/politics/07cong.html](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/us/politics/07cong.html) > > But Mr. Obama made substantial concessions to Republicans. In addition to dropping his opposition to any extension of the current income tax rates on income above $250,000 for couples and $200,000 for individuals, he agreed to a deal on the federal estate tax that infuriated many Democrats. The deal would ultimately set an exemption of $5 million per person and a maximum rate of 35 percent — a higher exemption and far lower rate than many Democrats wanted. :rolleyes: Go fuck yourself, Mr. Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/63 "2010-12-07T04:22:15Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > What he has shown to me is that having to risk people or risk losing, he’ll risk losing. By allowing Republicans to drive the debt higher with their irresponsible taxcuts, Obama _IS_ risking people, just not right now. If he caves, we’ll all regret it. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of our lives. Too much debt will cripple the nation, and the future of _all_ Americans will be grimmer. Sure, you may think that potentiality doesn’t amount to a hill of beans, relative to the present troubles of 2.5 million. But I think you’re wrong, and I think caving to extortionists is bad policy. What will they demand the NEXT time unemployment benefits come up, and the economy is still in the crapper? Are you prepared to pay again and again? ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/64 "2010-12-07T04:27:10Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > One of these days, you might realize that an ad hominem attack is nothing more than an open admission that what originally said was correct. Then how would you explain [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=340131) thread? What you originally said in that thread was crap, which you later sort of droolingly acknowledged. Yet, you were pelted with ad hominem attacks throughout. Perhaps ad hominem attacks directed at you are nothing more than open admissions that we can’t expect you to understand anything more nuanced than that. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/65 "2010-12-07T04:30:17Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > One of these days, you might realize that an ad hominem attack is nothing more than an open admission that what originally said was correct. If the tax cut to the rich is a jinned up problem that does not exist, why will the Repubs fight to the death and talk about shutting the government down to maintain them. I understand you are lost when the subject arises, but we are not. The whole tax cut should expire. The Republican deficit has to be faced. Now would be good. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/66 "2010-12-07T04:33:40Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Says you. People have different opinions on this issue, ya know. You act (in this and later posts) as if the Republicans intend to hurt the country, but they don’t–they very simply have a different idea than you about what is better for the country. The people whose opinions I’m relying on are some of the brightest economists in the country. The Republicans are relying on known failed economic policies of the Reagan era. That makes them guilty as charged. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/67 "2010-12-07T05:14:33Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Says you. People have different opinions on this issue, ya know. You act (in this and later posts) as if the Republicans intend to hurt the country, but they don’t–they very simply have a different idea than you about what is better for the country. No, that is demonstrably untrue. They now oppose measures they themselves supported just a couple of years ago. For example, Obamacare is very similar to the proposal by John McCain during the election. They just want Obama and the Democrats to fail so they can get back in power. They care nothing about the good of the country. ---
**Author:** ![Satyagrahi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f475e1/32.png) [@Satyagrahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satyagrahi)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/68 "2010-12-07T05:48:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > **…** You are going to vote for him (assuming you are a US citizen) in 2012. **…** It’s true that never in a million years would I vote for ANY republican for any office other than, possibly, County Gongfermor…and then allow him all he can eat. Given that, if Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2012, I will hold my nose and vote for the S.O.B. BUT…only after having worked my ass off for and voting for, in the primary election, some Democrat with a spine. Franken, Kucinich, Grayson, Feinbold. Hillary? Sure. Any Democrat with balls. I’ve had it with Obama. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/69 "2010-12-07T05:54:56Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > The people whose opinions I’m relying on are some of the brightest economists in the country. The Republicans are relying on known failed economic policies of the Reagan era. That makes them guilty as charged. Exactly. None of this stuff is even controversial from an economic perspective. Wealthy people have a lower propensity to spend than poor people, so given a choice between a billion dollar tax cut to the rich and a billion dollar incentive to poor people the latter will provide more of a stimulus. We can measure this stuff, it’s not an opinion. Now if we had sufficient demand, not enough capital to expand production, and were facing inflation then we might choose the tax cut. But no one thinks that is the case we are in now, ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/70 "2010-12-07T05:56:12Z")
> [@Satyagrahi](#): > > It’s true that never in a million years would I vote for ANY republican for any office other than, possibly, County Gongfermor…and then allow him all he can eat. > > Given that, if Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2012, I will hold my nose and vote for the S.O.B. > > BUT…only after having worked my ass off for and voting for, in the primary election, some Democrat with a spine. > > Franken, Kucinich, Grayson, Feinbold. Hillary? Sure. Any Democrat with balls. I’ve had it with Obama. Weiden is another person with vision and balls. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/71 "2010-12-07T06:03:01Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > He’s not ever going to get any concessions; he hasn’t got any concessions in two years. Really? The news stories state that the compromise consisted of extending the tax cuts for two years in exchange for extending unemployment befits. What an I missing? [Link](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101207/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts) ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/72 "2010-12-07T07:13:42Z")
Every time Obama does what he wants the poor Dem followers wonder why he’s “caving in.” _What’s the matter with Kansas?_ indeed. > [@sh1bu1](#): > > How is Obama going to deal with an external threat when he can’t even stand up to to the Pubs? External threats? You mean like, aliens? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 10:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/73 "2010-12-07T10:28:41Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Really? The news stories state that the compromise consisted of extending the tax cuts for two years in exchange for extending unemployment befits. What an I missing? [Link](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101207/ap_on_bi_ge/us_tax_cuts) The fact that, as already stated in the thread, the Republicans wouldn’t have actually let the unemployment benefits collapse. It wouldn’t have been in their best interest to do so. Heck, even the people who watch Fox for their news know that the Republicans were the ones refusing to pass anything. It would have clearly been their fault if it unemployment went away. Even they are smart enough to know that the Democrats would play that to the hilt. And, 'luci, remind me to play Poker with you. And if you ever need a loan, I’d be happy to help out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/74 "2010-12-07T12:44:06Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > No, that is demonstrably untrue. They now oppose measures they themselves supported just a couple of years ago. For example, Obamacare is very similar to the proposal by John McCain during the election. They just want Obama and the Democrats to fail so they can get back in power. They care nothing about the good of the country. I think that one is evidence for a different conclusion; I’m guessing the GOP never wanted to pass health-insurance reform in the first place, and only ever floated proposals they had no intention of legislating. After all, remember their reply to Clinton’s plan? They didn’t merely attack “Hillarycare” with gusto; they kept proposing alternative measures – and, upon gaining majorities in the House and Senate, they spent the rest of the '90s _ **not** _ sending anything of the sort up for Clinton’s signature, and then spent most of the '00s likewise not sending anything up for Bush’s signature. If a Repub thinks he can win a straight Dem-proposal-versus-status-quo debate, then he’ll just point at how things are. If he thinks he _ **can’t** _ quite win that debate, then he’ll merely _ **say** _ “we need change, just not that change” – and then broadly outline possible alternatives, which he may or may not actually give a crap about. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/75 "2010-12-07T13:14:48Z")
> [@Satyagrahi](#): > > It’s true that never in a million years would I vote for ANY republican for any office other than, possibly, County Gongfermor…and then allow him all he can eat. > > Given that, **if Obama is the Democratic nominee in 2012, I will hold my nose and vote for the S.O.B.** > > BUT…only after having worked my ass off for and voting for, in the primary election, some Democrat with a spine. > > Franken, Kucinich, Grayson, Feinbold. Hillary? Sure. Any Democrat with balls. **I’ve had it with Obama.** The bolded parts are incompatible. Look, if the Dems nominate anyone but Obama for the Presidential race in 2012 for any reason other than that Obama is dead or dying, this is morally equivalent to handing the White House over to the Republicans. You will vote for him. You know it, and so does he. Approval ratings for politicians who aren’t currently running [don’t mean much](http://www.dailyindia.com/show/412869.php), but BHO’s ratings among independents has gone up lately. Not that overall, his [approval ratings](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll) are anything to brag about, but still… Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/76 "2010-12-07T13:21:02Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Please grow a fucking backbone and don’t compromise on the tax cut expiration. Well, now we see how much clout you have with President Obama. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/77 "2010-12-07T13:35:06Z")
> [@Twoflower](#): > > Remember the “enthusiasm gap”? The main difference between the Democratic landslide of 2008 and the Republican landslide of 2010 is all the disaffected Obama voters who didn’t even bother to vote this time. If continues to disappoint his base, 2012 is going to be really ugly. Are you making any distinction between his base and the 2008 enthusiasts like [Gene Simmons](http://ironicsurrealism.blogivists.com/2010/12/05/video-gene-simmons-of-kiss-i-want-my-obama-vote-back/)? He’ll lose a few of the former but he’s already lost most of the latter. Oh, and whycome is it a cave if Obama compromises but a compromise if his enemies (his word) cave? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/78 "2010-12-07T15:53:38Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Clothahump - could you explain something to me? It’s obvious you are not in the top wage earner ranks, I’m not trying to be snarky but I really doubt if you have a shot at ever making the top wage earner brackets, and your current employment is probably not directly dependent on someone in the top 1% keeping his current tax break (dayam Chothahump, you’re a good worker bee but that socialist Obama is keeping my taxes and I can’t afford to keep you on the payroll this year). Given that, why so rabid about keeping the tax cut for the richest Americans? There is no such thing as a “tax cut for the rich”. That’s a liberal talking point squawked by liberal parrots right and left. I personally favor abolishing the income tax completely. Repeal the 16th Amendment and replace the income tax with the [Fair Tax](http://www.fairtax.org). As a very distant second place and second-rate alternative, go to a flat rate tax; no deductions, no exemption, you pay 15% of your income and that’s it. Can you explain to me the logic (?) behind “soaking the rich”? The only foundation I can see for it is class envy. Someone through initiative and effort invites a new widget or a better mousetrap and starts making money doing it. Their reward? Jealous people steal that money through taxation and redistribute it to “the poor”. Why should people be penalized for being successful? ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/79 "2010-12-07T15:54:39Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Dear dipshit - > > One of these days you might realize that disagreeing with your stupid ass is one of the most definite ways for those stuck with reading your drivel to know we are correct. > > -Joe One of these days, you might realize that an ad hominem attack is nothing more than an open admission that what originally said was correct. Thank you once again for proving me correct. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2010, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158/80 "2010-12-07T16:05:15Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The fact that, as already stated in the thread, the Republicans wouldn’t have actually let the unemployment benefits collapse. It wouldn’t have been in their best interest to do so. > > Heck, even the people who watch Fox for their news know that the Republicans were the ones refusing to pass anything. It would have clearly been their fault if it unemployment went away. Even they are smart enough to know that the Democrats would play that to the hilt. > > And, 'luci, remind me to play Poker with you. And if you ever need a loan, I’d be happy to help out. Nope. Also part of the deal was that the unemployment benefits don’t have to be paid for out of the unused TARP funds. I agree that the Republicans probably would have not let the benefits expire, but we don’t know that for sure. It’s just speculation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-dont-give-in-to-those-fuckers/563158.md?page=5)