# Obama Executive Actions on Guns **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 5, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260 "2016-01-05T19:57:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/161 "2016-01-10T05:47:54Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Horseshit. Anyone who thinks they need a gun is a fucking nut case. > > … > Obama has to take Baby steps, because you guys are so far up your own asses that you think you couldn’t possibly be your own worse enemy. But you are. > [http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/](http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/) I think I need a gun. Am I a fucking nut case? Is my head up my ass? And as much as I appreciate transparent efforts to wrap the message in the dead bodies of children, it’s poor decision making to craft public policy based on rare tragedies. * * * This should be about Obama’s Executive Actions. General gun issues should be over there —\> ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/162 "2016-01-10T06:07:05Z")
Chickenlegs, can you share a link to the list please? Cherry pick, because comparing the US of A to Somalia, Uzbekistan and Croatia isn’t exactly apples to apples. Germany, France, Japan, Canada and other developed markets is probably a better measure. Again, without the numbers, it’s just cherry picked conclusions. Thanks for playing. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/163 "2016-01-10T06:17:27Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Chickenlegs, can you share a link to the list please? This one? > **[List of countries by intentional homicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)** > > The list of countries by homicide rate is derived from United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC) data, and is expressed in number of deaths per 100,000 population per year. For example, a homicide rate of 30 out of 100,000 is presented in the table as "30", and corresponds to 0.03% of the population dying by homicide. The reliability of underlying national murder rate data may vary. Only UNODC-vetted data is used in the main table to maintain consistency. In some cases, Homicide rates ma... ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/164 "2016-01-10T18:22:02Z")
Thanks for the link. Here are the 10 countries before and after the USA. None of these are close to developed nations. And includes such wonderful countries as North Korea, Cuba, Niger, Ukraine and Iran. It’s unclear to me why it’s such an accomplishment for the US to be in this club? Laos Argentina North Korea Mauritania Thailand Moldova Estonia Albania Yemen Niger United States Latvia Micronesia Georgia Ukraine Solomon Islands Cuba Tuvalu Fiji Aruba (Netherlands) Iran ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/165 "2016-01-10T20:15:39Z")
What I want to know is how that is in any way relevant to Obama’s Executive Actions. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/166 "2016-01-11T01:33:25Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > What I want to know is how that is in any way relevant to Obama’s Executive Actions. Because Andiethewestie used this clearly false justification to support gun control, as advocated by president Obama: “Disgraceful that thousands upon thousands die in the US and no where else in these kind numbers just pile up like they do in the United States.” ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/167 "2016-01-11T01:46:11Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > Calls for AW bans by everyone including [Obama](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/03/23/obama-urges-vote-on-assault-weapons-ban/), [Pelosi](http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/07/news/la-pn-pelosi-boldest-possible-gun-legislation-20130207), [Feinstein](http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons). [Clinton](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-gun-buybacks_56216331e4b02f6a900c5d67) urging the US look at Australian gun controls, [and Obama](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/06/23/what-happened-after-australia-banned-lots-of-guns-after-a-massacre/) expressing the same. Australia banned a shit ton of firearms in the 90’s in case you didn’t know. Don’t forget [Sanders](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-gun-control_561a69a5e4b0dbb8000ee721), [and O’Malley](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/19/martin-omalley-charleston_n_7625166.html). > > Is that enough? > > Obama, was unable to get any new gun control legislation passed due to a Republican majority House and Senate in case you missed it. Remember, he moaned and groaned every time a gun control bill was squashed and blamed the “do nothing” congress for it. Nothing was/has been passed under his watch, but it was not for a lack of trying. Automatic weapons ban is gun grabbing? Seriously? We are miles apart if that’s the case. I get that the NRA views everything as a slippery slope. But there’s a middle ground between being able to freely buy full automatic weapons at the neighborhood 7-11 (or parking lot) without any kind of background check/oversight, and accommodating “lawful” gun owners. Again, it’s the slippery slope and the slippery slope fallacy and neither the twain shall meet… ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/168 "2016-01-11T01:50:25Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > But there’s a middle ground between being able to freely buy full automatic weapons at the neighborhood 7-11 (or parking lot) without any kind of background check/oversight, and accommodating “lawful” gun owners. Do you honestly believe you can legally buy fully-automatic weapons without a background check in the United States? If so, you’re not only miles apart from JXJohns, you’re miles part from reality. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/169 "2016-01-11T01:50:55Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Automatic weapons ban is gun grabbing? Seriously? We are miles apart if that’s the case. I get that the NRA views everything as a slippery slope. But there’s a middle ground between being able to freely buy full automatic weapons at the neighborhood 7-11 (or parking lot) without any kind of background check/oversight, and accommodating “lawful” gun owners. > > Again, it’s the slippery slope and the slippery slope fallacy and neither the twain shall meet… How bout you follow one of my links and try again. Nowhere are automatic weapons mentioned. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/170 "2016-01-11T02:01:28Z")
> [@ChickenLegs](#): > > Because Andiethewestie used this clearly false justification to support gun control, as advocated by president Obama: > > “Disgraceful that thousands upon thousands die in the US and no where else in these kind numbers just pile up like they do in the United States.” Yes, I saw that. I interpreted that as facile bemoaning of the _perceived_ state of affairs, not any specific criticism or praise of anything. In that vein its relation to the Executive Actions seem tenuous at best. I’d just as soon as disregard this type of content free comment. That’s just me though. ---
**Author:** ![ChickenLegs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@ChickenLegs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ChickenLegs)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/171 "2016-01-11T02:16:37Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Yes, I saw that. I interpreted that as facile bemoaning of the _perceived_ state of affairs, not any specific criticism or praise of anything. In that vein its relation to the Executive Actions seem tenuous at best. I’d just as soon as disregard this type of content free comment. That’s just me though. He did call you a “fucking nut case” though. I know he wasn’t referring to me - I can hardly be characterized as “fucking” lately. Not for lack of trying, though. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/172 "2016-01-11T04:42:10Z")
> [@JXJohns](#): > > How bout you follow one of my links and try again. Nowhere are automatic weapons mentioned. Is AWS automatic weapons? if not please correct me. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/173 "2016-01-11T05:10:51Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Is AWS automatic weapons? if not please correct me. As noted in the links provided, AWs are “assault weapons”. Semi auto rifles with cosmetic features that turn them from hunting and sporting rifles to “military grade” something or another. Automatic weapons are already quite regulated. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/174 "2016-01-11T06:05:34Z")
Thanks JXJohns. As a non 2nd amendment enthusiast, it is difficult to keep up with the correct terminology. And I don’t mean that in a snarky way. And there are some 2nd amendment enthusiasts that get their panties in a twist on the subtle meaning of “this” versus “that” and might even have an opinion on whether capitalization of “amendment” vs “Amendment” has some sort of overt vs subvert meaning? When I’m just having trouble with my keyboard. 🙂 Is it correct to say that AW’s are simply “scary” looking combat M16 kinda lookalikes? These are still semi auto, correct? Not full auto? And then may have something like a bayonet, flashlight or “big” magazine options that magically make these from basic “long guns” into “scary looking but not military grade” long guns, is that correct? In other words, “assault weapons” in this case really means jack shit and are not comparable to US military grade firearms? (Gawd, \*if \*this is the case, the sheeple really are focused on a rathole rather than trying to address something that might actually make a difference…) ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/175 "2016-01-11T14:25:10Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Is it correct to say that AW’s are simply “scary” looking combat M16 kinda lookalikes? These are still semi auto, correct? Not full auto? And then may have something like a bayonet, flashlight or “big” magazine options that magically make these from basic “long guns” into “scary looking but not military grade” long guns, is that correct? > > In other words, “assault weapons” in this case really means jack shit and are not comparable to US military grade firearms? (Gawd, \*if \*this is the case, the sheeple really are focused on a rathole rather than trying to address something that might actually make a difference…) Yes, that is what Assault Weapons (AWs) are. The same types of firearms that Obama, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Feinstein, Bloomberg, Brady, etc. want to ban. The same types of firearms that are already banned in California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York. Those sheeple? This is the type of ban that they refer to as “common sense”. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/176 "2016-01-11T14:37:22Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Thanks JXJohns. As a non 2nd amendment enthusiast, it is difficult to keep up with the correct terminology. And I don’t mean that in a snarky way. And there are some 2nd amendment enthusiasts that get their panties in a twist on the subtle meaning of “this” versus “that” and might even have an opinion on whether capitalization of “amendment” vs “Amendment” has some sort of overt vs subvert meaning? When I’m just having trouble with my keyboard. 🙂 > > Is it correct to say that AW’s are simply “scary” looking combat M16 kinda lookalikes? These are still semi auto, correct? Not full auto? And then may have something like a bayonet, flashlight or “big” magazine options that magically make these from basic “long guns” into “scary looking but not military grade” long guns, is that correct? > > In other words, “assault weapons” in this case really means jack shit and are not comparable to US military grade firearms? (Gawd, \*if \*this is the case, the sheeple really are focused on a rathole rather than trying to address something that might actually make a difference…) You are correct in all aspects of this post. I also apologize for any snark. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/177 "2016-01-11T18:02:50Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Horseshit. Anyone who thinks they need a gun is a fucking nut case. Examine your own navels, stop telling me that the problem is lack of understanding. (Post shortened) Your problem is a lack of understanding. You’re entitled to your opinion but you don’t have the votes to make your dream come true. The 2nd Amendment exists and you don’t have the votes to change that. Obama has addressed the situation several times but doesn’t have the votes to change the situation. Now Obama has been forced to resort to _feel good_ baby steps because he doesn’t have the votes to ban, register, or confiscate firearms in whole, or in part. Firearms are inanimate objects. They’re not going to jump up and hurt you. People be dangerous. People with bombs, cars, trucks, box cutters, and airplanes can be dangerous. Mentally desturbed monsters should be indentified and then treated, medicated, or housed where they can’t hurt anyone, including themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/178 "2016-01-11T19:00:40Z")
> [@Andiethewestie](#): > > Horseshit. Anyone who thinks they need a gun is a fucking nut case. Examine your own navels, stop telling me that the problem is lack of understanding. If a god damn monster doesn’t have a gun violent deaths decrease. Where the fuck are all the guns in the world? Stockpiled in the good old US of A. Disgraceful that thousands upon thousands die in the US and no where else in these kind numbers just pile up like they do in the United States. Face it YOU are more violent, your culture of killing has > allowed gun manufacturers to profit off the deaths of innocent children, and disturbed depressed people taking their own lives. Stop candy coating the truth. It’s about time a President had the balls to at least address the situation, and forward a modest proposal. Obama has to take Baby steps, because you guys are so far up your own asses that you think you couldn’t possibly be your own worse enemy. But you are. > [http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/](http://www.humanosphere.org/science/2015/10/visualizing-gun-deaths-comparing-u-s-rest-world/) During the LA riots, the LAPD was overwhelmed and prioritized their resources to protect wealthy suburban neighborhoods while abandoning places like Koreatown in downtown LA. Consequently, half of Koreatown burned down the first night. Then the Korean shopkeepers brought guns and stood watch from their rooftops. Not a single business burned down in Koreatown the next night while the rest of the city burned. Your problem is that you don’t understand the problem and don’t really care to. You just KNOW that the problem is guns and you KNOW what the solution is too. but if anyone asks you what you know, all you can do is gargle. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/179 "2016-01-11T19:09:10Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Thanks for the link. Here are the 10 countries before and after the USA. None of these are close to developed nations. And includes such wonderful countries as North Korea, Cuba, Niger, Ukraine and Iran. It’s unclear to me why it’s such an accomplishment for the US to be in this club? > > Laos > Argentina > North Korea > Mauritania > Thailand > Moldova > Estonia > Albania > Yemen > Niger > United States > Latvia > Micronesia > Georgia > Ukraine > Solomon Islands > Cuba > Tuvalu > Fiji > Aruba (Netherlands) > Iran You sound a bit culturally elitist. Virtually every south American country has a higher murder rate than the USA. Are these all undeveloped nations? How about Russia? With that said, we do have high levels of violence and murder and maybe guns have something to do with that. maybe they don’t but its not as clear as you seem to think. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260/180 "2016-01-11T19:10:32Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Automatic weapons ban is gun grabbing? Seriously? We are miles apart if that’s the case. I get that the NRA views everything as a slippery slope. But there’s a middle ground between being able to freely buy full automatic weapons at the neighborhood 7-11 (or parking lot) without any kind of background check/oversight, and accommodating “lawful” gun owners. > > Again, it’s the slippery slope and the slippery slope fallacy and neither the twain shall meet… It is posts like these that make you seem ignorant and lets everyone ignore you with impunity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-executive-actions-on-guns/742260.md?page=10)