# Obama has to dress down, he's busy cleaning up your puke! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 5, 2009, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642 "2009-02-05T23:51:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/261 "2009-02-08T00:52:50Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > The epitome of Presidential sartorial elegance: [Royalty-Free Stock Photos, Creative Images & Vectors | News, Fashion, and Entertainment imagery - Getty Images](http://pro.corbis.com/images/U85323018.jpg?size=67&uid=%7B2B1A9BCF-8FF8-49EC-AA8E-438ED9A1165F%7D) Talk about entirely too much going on. But I love the quizzical look on the Secret Service guy’s face. He looks like he’s wearing a too-short bathrobe. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/262 "2009-02-08T00:53:27Z")
Its refreshing that two men of such starkly different political philosophy can find accord in men’s fashions. OK, maybe a \*little \*creepy, too, but still… ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/263 "2009-02-08T01:13:23Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > I agree. You are talking stupidly as you argue that Obama’s African American Heritage has nothing to do with his skin color, hair color and texture. So why do you keep specifying his race rather than his skin color in your posts? The man’s complexion is dang near white as it is, and this is why I assume you think his African heritage, irrespective of his skin tone, forms the basis of your impressions. Would you be saying a tan white guy in a suit looks like a waiter? Don’t try to pretend your audience are fools. > [@](#): > > Not true. White is a bad color for him as it makes his skin look grayish in contrast. same with black. Light grey’s and browns are also unflattering. White with brown skin is one of the best combinations around, so I have no idea what drugs you’re shooting up, dude. Yellows, greens, and light browns have a muddying effect on beige skin, true. But white only provides contrast that makes tan skin radiant. This is why he looks great when he is playing it casual in white shirt sleeves. But he looks equally great in a suit because he isn’t defined by his clothes anyway. I have to question your acumen in this area now. > [@](#): > > People spend thousands of dollars to dress and groom themselves. They are usually trying to project an image. I read that image and create an impression. Usually my impression isn’t about the image they are trying to project, but how successful the attempt is, and whether the image they’ve chosen is appropriate. The process doesn’t change from white man to black man, but the images and impressions can. Whatever. You shouldn’t mistake _your_ perceptions as being anyone else’s because it is no means universally perceived that Obama looks waiter-like in a suit. That impression is a product of bias that doesn’t deserved to be accomodated, but rather derided. > [@](#): > > Just for fun let’s look at your earlier links: Sorry, just skimmed all of this because my eyes glazed over. Really not interested in your fashion opinions at this point, but thanks anyway. > [@](#): > > I don’t think you even know the question. There were actually two questions you answered. This one: > [@ywtf](#): > > If your comments about waiters and whatnot had nothing to do with him, then I’m wondering why in the hell you felt it necessary to bring that into the conversation. > [@ywtf](#): > > So if Obama is formally dressed, what does he look like to you: > > A) a waiter > B) a guy who is trying too hard > C) threatening > D) POTUS ---
**Author:** ![you\_with\_the\_face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ecccb3/32.png) [@you\_with\_the\_face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/you_with_the_face)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/264 "2009-02-08T01:34:29Z")
[http://www.usmagazine.com/files/barack-obama-b\_0.jpg](http://www.usmagazine.com/files/barack-obama-b_0.jpg) Posted for just because reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/265 "2009-02-08T01:35:08Z")
So what it comes down to is that in the midst of two wars and an international economic melt down, the prime issue is sartorial. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/266 "2009-02-08T01:37:11Z")
Double post ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/267 "2009-02-08T01:44:10Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > That’s not monochromatic. There’s quite a bit going on there. Way too busy, IMO. Not the picture I’d choose for an example of somebody looking good. Right. That’s not a monochromatic look, because…well, because Scylla says so. Meanwhile _I_ say that that is indeed a predominantly – lest we keep picking nits – navy-blue monochromatic look with a great blend of subtle patterns. The white shirt is a given. Why? Because few if any Western leaders would go solid on solid to address the nation. Putin might now that I think about it; but I felt making you look at Zapatero was enough punishment. Fun debating this way. I certainly can see why you do it – after all, there’s no higher authority than the poster himself. Sort of a preemptive “Abinaran (sp?) My Post Is MY Cite” gimmick. Awesome really. > [@](#): > > Bad tie on the left. Don’t like the banker collar on the right, but I’m guessing that it’s an older picture when that was in style (didn’t like it then.) Agreed on the tie – and yes, it’s a bit of a dated look on the other two gents, but so am I – dated that is. One thing I’ve learned throughout the years is that going classic never goes out of style. Of course, I speak of classic Western European styling, which is quite a bit bolder to begin with than its American relative. OTOH, America wins in the comfort stakes. > [@](#): > > Busted link. Let’s give it one more try: [**Following months of rigorous debate**](http://www.esquire.com/style/fashion-story/bestdressed0907) * * * At any rate, if my opinion matters any, I don’t think **Scylla’s** a racist at all. Just that his constant boasting sometimes leads to foot in mouth disease…like now for instance. A smug prick? At times, certainly, but that’s a debate I am not interested in having. Again. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/268 "2009-02-08T02:55:40Z")
Obama looks gray and dull in white? [I beg to differ.](http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03VF0QU5jEgjG/340x.jpg) Heck, I thought the First Couple were simply stunning with their coordinated elegance in black, brown and white. [Another look, if it works](http://gallery.pictopia.com/baltimore/gallery/72466/photo/baltimore:7497590/?o=1) ---
**Author:** ![don\_t\_ask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@don\_t\_ask](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/don_t_ask)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/269 "2009-02-08T03:02:59Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > [http://www.usmagazine.com/files/barack-obama-b\_0.jpg](http://www.usmagazine.com/files/barack-obama-b_0.jpg) > > Posted for just because reasons. Acknowledging the call of, “Boy!” from table 8. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/270 "2009-02-08T03:19:53Z")
There are way way way too many people who can or can not pull off certain looks, and I don’t see any correlation between whether they can or can’t and the color of their skin. There are specific types of fabric in very specific exact colors that might not work due to someone’s exact skin tone and complexion, but not a generic “White dudes suck in green”, “Blacks suck in black” sense. Certain colors that don’t work on many people work on me, green included. One of the best dressers I’ve ever seen in my adult life is Andre Benjamin (it doesn’t **always** work, but damn he comes closer to pulling off more varied looks than anyone). ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/271 "2009-02-08T03:28:10Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Obama looks gray and dull in white? [I beg to differ.](http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/03VF0QU5jEgjG/340x.jpg) > > Heck, I thought the First Couple were simply stunning with their coordinated elegance in black, brown and white. > > [Another look, if it works](http://gallery.pictopia.com/baltimore/gallery/72466/photo/baltimore:7497590/?o=1) Yes, you’re correct on both of those. Hard to tell how much they’ve been processed though. To me, it looks like the saturation has been raised a little bit. One of the other photos in the sequence shows what I’m talking about: [http://gallery.pictopia.com/baltimore/gallery/72466/photo/baltimore:7497404/?o=1](http://gallery.pictopia.com/baltimore/gallery/72466/photo/baltimore:7497404/?o=1) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/272 "2009-02-08T03:30:11Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > The epitome of Presidential sartorial elegance: [Royalty-Free Stock Photos, Creative Images & Vectors | News, Fashion, and Entertainment imagery - Getty Images](http://pro.corbis.com/images/U85323018.jpg?size=67&uid=%7B2B1A9BCF-8FF8-49EC-AA8E-438ED9A1165F%7D) Talk about entirely too much going on. But I love the quizzical look on the Secret Service guy’s face. Could someone describe said photo? I keep getting “Image Not Available”. :mad: And while I usually love Michelle Obama’s sense of style, I HATED the dress she wore to the inaugural ball. What the hell was that? It looked like a dust rag! My favorite shall always be [Florence Harding’s](http://www.smithsonianlegacies.si.edu/objectdescription.cfm?ID=78). Although this one wasn’t worn at the inauguration, since they didn’t HAVE a ball for Harding in 1921. She also wore [this number](http://webzoom.freewebs.com/looking-for-mabel/2007%20PHOTOS/Florence%20Harding%20desinger%20Hickson.jpg) early during her husband’s term. President Harding was a crooked SOB, but damn, his wife sure knew how to dress! Although [Mamie Eisenhower’s dress](http://americanhistory.si.edu/presidency/images/medium/mamie_M.jpg) was beautiful! They even named the shade of the dress “Mamie Pink” after her. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/273 "2009-02-08T03:34:45Z")
I don’t suppose anyone is going to get around to praising the easy-going peckerwood elegance of Lyndon Johnson? No, I didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/274 "2009-02-08T03:40:54Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Yes, you’re correct on both of those. Hard to tell how much they’ve been processed though. To me, it looks like the saturation has been raised a little bit. One of the other photos in the sequence shows what I’m talking about: > > [http://gallery.pictopia.com/baltimore/gallery/72466/photo/baltimore:7497404/?o=1](http://gallery.pictopia.com/baltimore/gallery/72466/photo/baltimore:7497404/?o=1) But look at Michelle. She’s darker than he is, and her skin tones are warm and rich, but here they look dull, washed-out and grayish. Given the humongous blue backdrop that could be affecting the overall tone, I’d be inclined to say it’s this photo that’s off from reality. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/275 "2009-02-08T03:44:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Could someone describe said photo? I keep getting “Image Not Available”. :mad: [Tiny Url is your friend.](http://tinyurl.com/cftkgo) ---
**Author:** ![TVeblen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4bbf92/32.png) [@TVeblen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TVeblen)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/276 "2009-02-08T03:50:55Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] Could someone describe said photo? I keep getting “Image Not Available”. [/QUOTE] Sorry, Guin. For some reason that link is fighting me–and winning. It’s a picture of Reagan and Nancy standing with Prince Charles and Diana. Reagan is wearing a dark blue and green plaid jacket with a bright red tie. It _could_ be louder as plaids go but it was still a very weird clothing choice for the much-ballyhooed royal visit. Charles, though possibly a rather a stick, looks effortlessly elegant. The bemused look on the Secret Service guy’s face cracks me up though. Let me try the link again: [Google Image Result](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pro.corbis.com/images/U85323018.jpg%3Fsize%3D67%26uid%3D%257B2B1A9BCF-8FF8-49EC-AA8E-438ED9A1165F%257D&imgrefurl=http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx%3FCID%3Disg%26mediauid%3D%257B2B1A9BCF-8FF8-49EC-AA8E-438ED9A1165F%257D&usg=__j-YpenPqpNdZnWNShFVR0yyIl6A=&h=424&w=640&sz=122&hl=en&start=24&tbnid=iB2RqfTi93AbNM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dronald%252Breagan%252Bprince%252Bcharles%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN) ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/277 "2009-02-08T03:52:14Z")
> [@you\_with\_the\_face](#): > > So why do you keep specifying his race rather than his skin color in your posts? Why not? If I say he’s darkskinned with dark eyes and nappy hair it makes it look like I’m avoiding stating his race. It’s also a bit more cumbersome. > [@](#): > > The man’s complexion is dang near white as it is, and this is why I assume you think his African heritage, irrespective of his skin tone, forms the basis of your impressions. It doesn’t look white to me. Looks cafe au lait. Greyish in some lights. He lacks a slightest reddish tinge that some medium black men are lucky enough to have. > [@](#): > > Would you be saying a tan white guy in a suit looks like a waiter? More George Hamilton. > [@](#): > > Don’t try to pretend your audience are fools. just the part of it that consists of you. > [@](#): > > White with brown skin is one of the best combinations around, so I have no idea what drugs you’re shooting up, dude. Why are you mentioning race. Why “white” with brown skin? Why not simply “brown skin?” Do you think black men with brown skin don’t look good? Are you some kind of fucking racist? (see I can play your asinine game, too.) > [@](#): > > Yellows, greens, and light browns have a muddying effect on beige skin, true. But white only provides contrast that makes tan skin radiant. This is why he looks great when he is playing it casual in white shirt sleeves. But he looks equally great in a suit because he isn’t defined by his clothes anyway. There’s a distinction between black and tan. While Obama is a black man his coloration is different than tan. In the wrong light or clothes he looks greyish. Here’s an example: [![](https://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/obamaMOS0202_468x365.jpg) ](https://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/obamaMOS0202_468x365.jpg) Another: [http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/law/obama\_time\_cover\_102306.jpg](http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/law/obama_time_cover_102306.jpg) > [@](#): > > Whatever. You shouldn’t mistake _your_ perceptions as being anyone else’s because it is no means universally perceived that Obama looks waiter-like in a suit. That impression is a product of bias that doesn’t deserved to be accomodated, but rather derided. I doubt it is universal. It’s a tendency or an evocation. > [@](#): > > Sorry, just skimmed all of this because my eyes glazed over. Really not interested in your fashion opinions at this point, but thanks anyway. These were your links. You asked me to comment on them. My comments support the viewpoint I’ve espoused which you are questioning. Your refusal to engage confirms my expectation. It’s just fun and easy for you to act all offensible and throw around specious accusations. You’re not really interested in whether or not they’re true. I’ll repeat my “fuck you!” Fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/278 "2009-02-08T04:02:55Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > Right. That’s not a monochromatic look, because…well, because Scylla says so. Meanwhile _I_ say that that is indeed a predominantly – lest we keep picking nits – navy-blue monochromatic look with a great blend of subtle patterns. The white shirt is a given. Why? Because few if any Western leaders would go solid on solid to address the nation. Putin might now that I think about it; but I felt making you look at Zapatero was enough punishment. Ok, let’s see if we can’t come to accomodation and an agreement. Monochrome one color. We both know that. This man’s dress has three colors. You have that rich navy in the suit and the tie. The white of the pinstripes and the tie, and the different white of the shirt. You will hopefully concede this is not monochrome. Too, he has tan skin, light blue eyes and dark brown hair. So, this is not an example of “monochrome.” We have some nice contrasts here, and some nice textural contrasts as well. Do we agree so far? Or do you argue that he is monochrome? That being said, clearly there’s something snazzy going on with the precise matching of colors between the suit and the tie. I so concede. > [@](#): > > Fun debating this way. I certainly can see why you do it – after all, there’s no higher authority than the poster himself. Sort of a preemptive “Abinaran (sp?) My Post Is MY Cite” gimmick. Awesome really. Well, it’s taste. You either have it or you don’t. It seems yours runs a more sartorial european than mine. [quote] Agreed on the tie – and yes, it’s a bit of a dated look on the other two gents, but so am I – dated that is. One thing I’ve learned throughout the years is that going classic never goes out of style. Of course, I speak of classic Western European styling, which is quite a bit bolder to begin with than its American relative. OTOH, America wins in the comfort stakes. I’m being harsh. The gentleman on the right looks very good, and the bankers collar goes very nicely with his hair, IMO. > [@](#): > > A smug prick? At times, certainly, but that’s a debate I am not interested in having. Again. Why bring it up then? Why not just argue the issue if that’s how you really feel? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/279 "2009-02-08T04:05:48Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > But look at Michelle. She’s darker than he is, and her skin tones are warm and rich, but here they look dull, washed-out and grayish. Given the humongous blue backdrop that could be affecting the overall tone, I’d be inclined to say it’s this photo that’s off from reality. Maybe. You might be right. It’s hard to tell because people look differently under different lighting and photo processing. My point is that Obama can look an unhealthy grey under some conditions and he’s best to choose clothes which deemphasize a potential unflattering depiction. Michelle has a much better color in terms of looking good under various conditions. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2009, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642/280 "2009-02-08T04:09:13Z")
> [@TVeblen](#): > > Sorry, Guin. For some reason that link is fighting me–and winning. It’s a picture of Reagan and Nancy standing with Prince Charles and Diana. Reagan is wearing a dark blue and green plaid jacket with a bright red tie. It _could_ be louder as plaids go but it was still a very weird clothing choice for the much-ballyhooed royal visit. > > Charles, though possibly a rather a stick, looks effortlessly elegant. The bemused look on the Secret Service guy’s face cracks me up though. > > Let me try the link again: [Google Image Result](http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://pro.corbis.com/images/U85323018.jpg%3Fsize%3D67%26uid%3D%257B2B1A9BCF-8FF8-49EC-AA8E-438ED9A1165F%257D&imgrefurl=http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx%3FCID%3Disg%26mediauid%3D%257B2B1A9BCF-8FF8-49EC-AA8E-438ED9A1165F%257D&usg=__j-YpenPqpNdZnWNShFVR0yyIl6A=&h=424&w=640&sz=122&hl=en&start=24&tbnid=iB2RqfTi93AbNM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dronald%252Breagan%252Bprince%252Bcharles%26start%3D20%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN) I assume Reagan was wearing that jacket as the result of losing a bet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-has-to-dress-down-hes-busy-cleaning-up-your-puke/484642.md?page=15)