# Obama is killing too many terrorists!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 20, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810 "2010-02-20T21:58:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/21 "2010-02-21T01:52:35Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Dio, despite the fact that you are a complete dumbass, you are a reasonably intelligent guy. So, it seems odd to me that you are missing the point of what these people are saying. They are arguing that it would be better to attempt to capture terrorists alive rather than to kill them with no chance of capturing them alive. Therefore, they are saying it is a bad thing that Obama is simply killing them with drones rather than attempting to capture them alive. > > I don’t know anything about the merits of this argument (I hadn’t even heard it until opening this thread). But it is different than simply complaining that Obama is killing too many terrorists (as opposed to simply not killing them or capturing them), which is what you are claiming. > > Anyway, I’m sure those few who would agree with the OP and who don’t have me on their ignore list have not read this far down in this post, so enjoy the inevitable circle jerk this thread will become. I understand the _pretense_ of a point. It’s nonethess a pretense, and it doesn’t alter the fact that it’s ridiculous to bitch about Obama killing too many high value terrorists. The first piece actually said that killing too many al Qaeda leaders is “putting the country at risk.” If you can’t see how absurd that sounds, then I’m not going to be able to explain it any better. I reject the pretense (“we should capture and torture them instead”) as fraudulent and contrived. It’s not a complaint these assholes would make if a Republican President was doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/22 "2010-02-21T02:11:28Z")
Yeesh Dio. They are making an argument. If you think it’s a bad argument, then argue against it. Explain why you think it’s not a bad thing that these terrorists are being killed rather than captured. It’s rather stupid to just ignore the fact that they are making an argument by calling it a “pretense.” This is what makes this a circle jerk thread–you don’t wanna actually argue against anything, you just want to get all the lefties riled up so you can revel in all the spooge flying around. Even asserting that it is a bad argument without arguing against it would be a step up, but you can’t even do that. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/23 "2010-02-21T02:22:11Z")
It’s not an ingenuous argument. It’s a pretext to attack Obama. I see no need to spend much time debating a pretext, though I actually did explain why it was nonsense in post #6. It’s really not worth any more words than I gave it. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/24 "2010-02-21T02:26:58Z")
Oh. A pretense AND a pretext. Well OK then. Please enjoy your circle jerk, I will leave you to it. ---
**Author:** ![ladyfoxfyre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@ladyfoxfyre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ladyfoxfyre)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/25 "2010-02-21T02:39:56Z")
Blah blah blah, circle jerk, blah blah, usual suspects, blah, poor people. You could just C&P and save us all time. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/26 "2010-02-21T02:47:14Z")
> [@ladyfoxfyre](#): > > Blah blah blah, circle jerk, blah blah, usual suspects, blah, poor people. > > You could just C&P and save us all time. Cite that this is not happening? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/27 "2010-02-21T02:51:45Z")
I’ve never known anyone so obsessed with masturbation as Rand Rover. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/28 "2010-02-21T02:59:59Z")
> [@sleeping](#): > > Yeah, but come on, **Dio**. Of course, the Pubs are bereft of any principles, but in the broader context, the war on terrorism is bullshit and it should comprised of police actions and coordination with local governments rather than assassinations and military operations. This. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/29 "2010-02-21T03:13:38Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Oh. A pretense AND a pretext. Well OK then. > > Please enjoy your circle jerk, I will leave you to it. Y’know, just because the OP starts the discussion does not mean you are confined to only what that individual posts throughout the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/30 "2010-02-21T03:25:04Z")
Obama’s problem is that he is killing the ones we should be capturing and capturing the ones we should be killing. Dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/31 "2010-02-21T03:30:32Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > “More resources” = more American lives. > > These targets are in remote areas where it would be difficult to catch them alive. They spend human lives like they spend tax payer money. ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/32 "2010-02-21T03:33:32Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Obama’s problem is that he is killing the ones we should be capturing and capturing the ones we should be killing. Dumbass. Assuming you’re being serious, _Capturing the ones we should be killing_ doesn’t make sense. Even in war the only reason you kill anyone without trial is supposed to be because you have to – it’s not Unreal Tournament. ---
**Author:** ![Camus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ba8739/32.png) [@Camus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Camus)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/33 "2010-02-21T03:35:10Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > Obama’s problem is that he is killing the ones we should be capturing and capturing the ones we should be killing. Dumbass. Who is someone that Obama ordered killed that instead should have been captured (or more accurately, attempted to capture)? And vice versa? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/34 "2010-02-21T03:39:31Z")
Lord have mercy. You guys are wound pretty tight for a circle jerk thread. Frostillicus was making what we in the business call “a joke”–Wikipedia’s got a decent entry, check it out. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/35 "2010-02-21T03:51:41Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Lord have mercy. You guys are wound pretty tight for a circle jerk thread. Frostillicus was making what we in the business call “a joke”–Wikipedia’s got a decent entry, check it out. Great idea. From Wiki: > [@](#): > > The desired response is generally laughter; when this does not happen the joke is said to have “fallen flat”. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/36 "2010-02-21T03:52:26Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > I’ve never known anyone so obsessed with masturbation as Rand Rover. Hey! I’m right here! I’m gathering that this was the excuse that Thiessen heard in the Bush White House while Al Queda in Afghanistan was more or less ignored and potential members tortured to try to implicate Iraq. They are our enemies, and those that don’t want to come in and offer information need to be killed as quickly and completely as possible. The Bush people didn’t do this and ignored Afghanistan in general because there was oil to secure the contracts for drilling in Iraq. You would think that if Al Queda were something more than a Blackwater op, that maybe they would target the individual neo-cons advancing the policies that they supposedly object to, rather than civilians. How much easier would it be for Al Queda to find out where these individual enemies lived in the United States and send in a hit team to kill the guy in his home along with his family. Like what Charles Manson did. _That_ terrorized a whole state. But these neo-cons walk around on the street and go about their lives with virtually no protection. They are in no greater danger from Al Queda than the average on the street American. Why is that? It is because the neo-cons are not their enemy. Despite the fact that all the policies they oppose are neo-con policies. The American people are their enemy. In summary, Al Queda is a Blackwater operation to justify stealing oil and raiding the American treasury. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/37 "2010-02-21T04:07:19Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > I’ve never known anyone so obsessed with masturbation as Rand Rover. Is it lonely up there on your pedestal? [Kinda stolen from The Family Guy.] ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/38 "2010-02-21T05:11:00Z")
Eh, the GOP are the real terrorists. They do more damage to America than Al-Qaeda ever could ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/39 "2010-02-21T05:56:22Z")
> [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](#): > > I’ve never known anyone so obsessed with masturbation as Rand Rover. I thought it was feminine hygiene products? ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810/40 "2010-02-21T09:37:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > …in which he compalins that… Bravo, sir! Again, why am I the first to notice that? Something something circle jerk something. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-killing-too-many-terrorists/529810.md?page=3)