# Obama is planning to use Executive Orders for gun control. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673 "2013-01-09T21:29:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![PandaBear77](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@PandaBear77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PandaBear77)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/21 "2013-01-10T02:16:46Z")
He’s a dick, OP, no reason to expect better behavior. ---
**Author:** ![DMark](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e68b1a/32.png) [@DMark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMark)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/22 "2013-01-10T02:39:58Z")
**Obama is planning to use Executive Orders for gun control.** Good. About time somebody did something. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/23 "2013-01-10T02:55:50Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > From my point of view it’s strengthening the position against any gun control. This is everybody’s worst fears. A President abusing his powers and trying to impose his single will on the entire nation. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/24 "2013-01-10T03:05:47Z")
> [@PandaBear77](#): > > He’s a dick, OP, no reason to expect better behavior. Shouldn’t you be off somewhere stuffing your face with bamboo and making failed attempt to mate? ---
**Author:** ![Atakapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Atakapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atakapa)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/25 "2013-01-10T03:08:23Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’ve said before, that I support _reasonable_ changes. Close the loophole at Gun Shows. I’ve bought two guns from [galleryofguns.com](http://galleryofguns.com). You put down a deposit, and they give you a list of local dealers where it can be picked up. You fill out the Firearms paperwork, they do the background check. Painless and no big deal. You even pay state sales tax when paying the balance owed on the gun. I see no reason gun shows can’t do the same or even set up a booth to do the Firearms checks. What is the “gun show loophole” of which you speak? In my experience, dealers at shows are required to call your information in to the BATF before making the sale. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/26 "2013-01-10T03:48:15Z")
I agree with the OP in that if BO does what is being suggested, it’d be a dick move. But I think making a politically huge, unilateral, constitutionally questionable move would be extraordinarily out of character. Maybe Biden misspoke, maybe it’s just a warning shot, more than likely BO’s got something else up his sleeve. Like pointing out the roots of gun violence are more like unchecked mental illness (suicides as well as murders) and other causes like gang violence or whatever. A more appropriate application of executive power would be to broaden his healthcare plan and redirect the drug war funds to gun purchase screening, anti-gang police & social work, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/27 "2013-01-10T03:53:14Z")
I don’t see anything there about gun control. Biden said that the President is going to try to do something to prevent mass shootings. Why do you jump from there to concluding that it’s going to be gun control? Do you know something the rest of us don’t, about gun control being the best way to stop mass shootings? ---
**Author:** ![HoneyBadgerDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honeybadgerdc/32/1033_2.png) [@HoneyBadgerDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoneyBadgerDC)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/28 "2013-01-10T03:54:55Z")
I doubt any legislation he would try and pass by executive order would be very far reaching. I am no fan of Obama but I say wait and see wha he has in mind. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/29 "2013-01-10T04:03:02Z")
I’ve never been to a gun show. But, some loophole allowing sales has been in the news non-stop for weeks. From what I’ve read they are referring to private sales at the gun shows. I bought mine from a big Internet store because they had a better selection of stock than my local dealer. But, I still had to pick it up at the local dealer and do all the paperwork. Took about 30 minutes and not a big deal at all. I rushed and bought my Ruger 380 LCP last month because I knew the process would be a bigger PITA after Obama does his thing. google finds many articles. This is just one I picked. [http://beforeitsnews.com/the-law/2013/01/what-is-the-gun-show-loophole-2447922.html](http://beforeitsnews.com/the-law/2013/01/what-is-the-gun-show-loophole-2447922.html) > [@Atakapa](#): > > What is the “gun show loophole” of which you speak? In my experience, dealers at shows are required to call your information in to the BATF before making the sale. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/30 "2013-01-10T04:08:29Z")
When people stop selling kits to change AR-15’s (we need .223 ammo WHY?) into full auto, we can talk about not needing restrictions. When the “dealers” at “gun shows” don’t recognize certain words to mean “the stuff in your trunk, not the stuff on the table”, we can talk about not needing restrictions. When you need DAMNED GOOD reasons to buy body armor, we can talk. When people stop thinking “bigger gun” = “bigger dick”, we can talk. It took a Presidential Order to integrate the US military. It will take one to force people to recognize all marriages, regardless of who is in them. When all the gun owners sign up for “well-regulated militias” (which I would read as: National Guard), then they can spout off about their “Second Amendment Rights”. People who buy the largest caliber iron they can disguise (hi there kel-tec!) enough to carry in their pocket undetected, we can talk. And, explain again why your “hunting” rifle needs to be black, have a flash suppressor, and grenade launching capability? If you really need 14 rounds in your “self protection” weapon, you are making WAY too many enemies - and are NOT the kind of person I’d want to have a slingshot. And anyone who cites Fox as a source of unpublished info re upcoming Presidential Orders on firearm control is another person who probably has too many fantasies of being a hero with his mighty gun. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/31 "2013-01-10T04:10:46Z")
What frustrates me is the biggest problem isn’t being addressed. There’s many people out there trying to take care of somebody that is borderline dangerous. Like the mom caring for her son before the Sandy Hook shooting. She apparently didn’t have any resources to get him treated. He wasn’t crazy enough to commit to a hospital. At least he didn’t seem to be until he shot her in the face multiple times and then went to that school. There’s no easy answers here. A 30 day committee with Biden isn’t going to solve this. But, something has to be done. From what I read, that Sandy Hook shooter seemed sane. He probably would pass any new gun sale screening that’s put in place. No one knew he was dangerous until it was too late. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/32 "2013-01-10T04:13:36Z")
> [@Atakapa](#): > > What is the “gun show loophole” of which you speak? In my experience, dealers at shows are required to call your information in to the BATF before making the sale. I bought a pistol at a gun show with no calls or oversight. The guy did want cash, and lowered the price when I wanted to write a check. I do wonder how many of these mass killers bought things at gun shows. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/33 "2013-01-10T04:15:54Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > It will take one to force people to recognize all marriages, regardless of who is in them. Are you speaking of racial or gender issues? And thank you for being so belligerent. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/34 "2013-01-10T04:20:32Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > From my point of view it’s strengthening the position against any gun control. This is everybody’s worst fears. It’s not my worst fear by a long shot. I think it’s about God Damn Fucking Time\* someone\* did _something_. The argument that this is an erosion of your liberty is compete nonsense. On your best day, all of your militia dumb-fucks couldn’t last a single day against an organized military; it’s a fantasy to think your protecting liberty, you’re protecting murderers, thieves, and gangsters. You should be ashamed at the lives lost because of your political posturing. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/35 "2013-01-10T04:21:53Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > From my point of view it’s strengthening the position against any gun control. This is everybody’s worst fears. My worst fears all involve chupacabra. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/36 "2013-01-10T05:19:05Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > My worst fears all involve chupacabra. Brrr…! Reason enough to be armed! ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/37 "2013-01-10T05:25:57Z")
The actual statements come nowhere close to the thread title, of course. There’s not much Obama can do by executive order, and a statement by Biden that they are thinking about stuff but haven’t decided on anything doesn’t add up to very much. ---
**Author:** ![njtt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ecd19e/32.png) [@njtt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/njtt)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/38 "2013-01-10T05:46:06Z")
**Government Attempts to Govern** Shock, Horror! ---
**Author:** ![Atakapa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a8b319/32.png) [@Atakapa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atakapa)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/39 "2013-01-10T05:54:37Z")
> [@usedtobe](#): > > (we need .223 ammo WHY?) I’m sorry, are you serious? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2013, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/40 "2013-01-10T06:03:18Z")
I’m sure the people who committed those 500+ murders in Chicago last year are quaking in their shoes. Yes, lets add more laws to the thousands of Federal and state laws regarding guns…and see if criminals are affected by them. My guess is there won’t be any effect upon criminals…they will happily go on killing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673.md?page=3)