# Obama is planning to use Executive Orders for gun control. **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [January 9, 2013, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673 "2013-01-09T21:29:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/81 "2013-01-11T06:57:09Z")
The NRA, in particular, constantly says that we don’t need new gun laws but we should enforce the laws we have. The executive, that is the President in the case of the federal government, is charged with enforcing our laws. One way the President does this is through Executive Orders saying what should be given priority. Therefore, the NRA should be in favor of exactly this approach. In any case Executive orders are very common. Of recent Presidents that ultra-liberal Ronald Reagan issued the most 381. Obama issued 144 through the data I have which I think is his first term. Bush (Jr) issued 291 in two terms so Obama is right in his pace. Since no one is up in arms yet, I can only conclude that most Executive Orders are barely even noticed by the public and aren’t things that lead to civil wars. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/82 "2013-01-11T11:49:15Z")
> [@OldGuy](#): > > The NRA, in particular, constantly says that we don’t need new gun laws but we should enforce the laws we have. [Some lawmakers in Wyoming disagree](http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/guns/wyoming-lawmakers-want-nullify-federal-gun-laws). > [@](#): > > Ten Wyoming lawmakers have proposed legislation that they claim would nullify any new federal laws banning assault weapons. > > The proposed bill HB0104 states that “any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming,” reports The Washington Examiner. They’re also proposing to arrest and jail any federal agents attempting to enforce any such new or existing laws. Nice. ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/83 "2013-01-11T13:31:45Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > From my point of view it’s strengthening the position against any gun control. This is everybody’s worst fears. No, honey. Not even close. My worst fear is my kids dying. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/84 "2013-01-11T13:52:34Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > No, honey. Not even close. My worst fear is my kids dying. My worst fear is not having a gun in the house if the guys my wife put in jail come looking for her. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Terraplane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@Terraplane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terraplane)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/85 "2013-01-11T14:47:51Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > One negative has already happened. Ammo prices are way up. This is because of people like you, not because of Obama. The panicked rush to stockpile an arsenal started when he was first elected and every time something happens the sky is falling all over again and, “Welp, better go buy another 1,000 rounds.” The last 4 years have been the best thing to ever happen to civilian gun and ammo manufacturers. ---
**Author:** ![McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a3d4f5/32.png) [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/McDeath_the_Mad)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/86 "2013-01-11T16:26:20Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > One negative has already happened. Ammo prices are way up. That’s not such a bad thing. Your Constitution gives you the right to bear arms, doesn’t mean they should have bullets! MtM ---
**Author:** ![lorene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/65b543/32.png) [@lorene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lorene)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/87 "2013-01-11T16:57:06Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > My worst fear is not having a gun in the house if the guys my wife put in jail come looking for her. 🙂 Equally valid fear. I’m cool with that. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2013, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/88 "2013-01-11T18:08:55Z")
> [@lorene](#): > > Equally valid fear. I’m cool with that. Perhaps we should go to the White House. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/89 "2013-01-15T19:24:14Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I bought a pistol at a gun show with no calls or oversight. > The guy did want cash, and lowered the price when I wanted to write a check. > I do wonder how many of these mass killers bought things at gun shows. There’s no “gun show loophole”. The same laws that apply the other 29 days of the month also apply at the gun show. Those laws are really not that complex: FFL dealers must perform background checks and fill out paperwork on all their inventory sales. “Private parties” (which means people like you and me, and the guy down the street who is selling a gun to make rent) don’t have those same bookkeeping and paperwork requirements. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/90 "2013-01-15T19:25:42Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > On your best day, all of your militia dumb-fucks couldn’t last a single day against an organized military Insurgents in Afghanistan seem to have done alright for themselves. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/91 "2013-01-15T19:29:15Z")
> [@DMark](#): > > Baby steps - get one piece of crap off the streets and maybe we can get the other shit off the streets after that. … but you right-wingers are nuts if you think they want to take away all your guns. They just want the scary-looking ones … today … we’ll talk about the rest later. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/92 "2013-01-15T19:29:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > There’s no “gun show loophole”. I’m not sure what you mean. When I bought from a gun store, the guy called somebody up and made sure I wasn’t Ted Bundy. At the gun show, I gave the man some cash and he gave me the gun. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/93 "2013-01-15T19:33:27Z")
> [@McDeath\_the\_Mad](#): > > What I was getting at is if you’re an avid hunter, hunting all kinds of species if you need 20 different rifles and 10 different shot guns great. But those rifes should be sem-auto or single shot with a reasonable max capacity magazine size (8? 10?). > > Not modified semi-auto’s with 40+ shot clips. > > MtM What’s a “modified semi-auto” and where can I get one? I’d also love to pick up some 40-round AR mags, because I can only ever find the 30-rounders. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/94 "2013-01-15T19:33:55Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > They just want the scary-looking ones … today … we’ll talk about the rest later. The fear of precedent. Today the scary looking ones, to morrow the ones that fire bullets. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/95 "2013-01-15T19:45:54Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’d also love to pick up some 40-round AR mags, because I can only ever find the 30-rounders. I have a 40-rd. magazine for my AR-180. It’s impossible to find 20-rd. mags for it, which I’d prefer. (Actually, I’ve just sent off a check for some 20-rd. AR-15 magazines, which I’ll have [modified for the AR-180](http://oi54.tinypic.com/33v2j34.jpg).) ---
**Author:** ![thenonepercent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@thenonepercent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thenonepercent)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/96 "2013-01-15T20:47:57Z")
Good. Let the cowards face life without the illusion of control that a gun gives them. Maybe it’ll force them to grow up and face the fact that security and safety are fragile illusions at best. ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/97 "2013-01-15T21:00:50Z")
> [@thenonepercent](#): > > Maybe it’ll force them to grow up and face the fact that security and safety are fragile illusions at best. The same can be said of the gun control proponents, who are so very afraid of becoming a victim of gun crime that they’re willing to trample all over other law-abiding people’s rights in an attempt to assuage their unreasonable fears. That door swings both ways. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/98 "2013-01-15T21:16:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I’m not sure what you mean. When I bought from a gun store, the guy called somebody up and made sure I wasn’t Ted Bundy. At the gun show, I gave the man some cash and he gave me the gun. The former was an FFL dealer, the latter was a private party. There are both FFL dealers and private parties selling guns at gun shows, just like there are both FFL dealers and private parties selling guns around town, most any day of the week. There’s nothing magical about gun shows. The same laws apply. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/99 "2013-01-15T21:18:10Z")
> [@thenonepercent](#): > > Good. Let the cowards face life without the illusion of control that a gun gives them. Maybe it’ll force them to grow up and face the fact that security and safety are fragile illusions at best. I think people who feel the need to own or carry a gun for self protection are already acutely aware that “security and safety are fragile illusions at best.” Your whole concept with this post is bass-ackwards. ---
**Author:** ![thenonepercent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@thenonepercent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thenonepercent)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2013, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673/100 "2013-01-15T21:45:00Z")
The illusion here is that a gun is going to somehow make you safe. Acknowledge that it won’t, and you’ll be better able to handle the trauma that comes your way. You’re not an action hero. Arming yourself will only give you the false sense of security that you can do protect yourself or your family. You can’t. It’s a security blanket, one that leads to dangerous overconfidence. You can’t stop a gunman. You can’t stop an armed intruder. All you can do is try and fail. Best case scenario is that the trigger happy first respondents put a bullet in your chest before you can injure an innocent bystander while trying to save the day. But you go on with your bad self, John Q Rambo. Show us how bad you are. Show us how watching Red Dawn with a bottle of lubraderm and box of kleanex is going to prepare you to dispense citizen’s justice against the reds/blah people/welfare queens/LIEbrals/muslims when they break into your house or brainwash your fat little kids into shooting up their schools. Oh, I don’t mean _you_, Mister Responsible Gun Owner who did two tours in Afghanistan and had his pappy teach him how to hunt squirrels when he was a 6th degree boy scout. I don’t mean you, officer Badass, who’s been holding off the savage hordes of THIS CITY for years armed only with your trusty NON ASSAULT rifle. Ohhh, of coooourse, not yooooooou. You made your bones killin’ dem bad guys (because bad guys are a thing that happens) and you’d never suffer from buck fever because you’re totes used to live fire situations, and you have such a degree of situational awareness that the trigger happy cops rollin’ on up to your disturbance can just _tell_ that you’re a True American Patriot that shits flags and cums bald eagles. You and your deathcocksurrogate would never make a situation worse. I’m talking about all the other dipshit cowards who can’t imagine not having the protection of a gun around to keep them warm at night, to keep their kiddies safe in their beds, to keep the bad guys, the evil doers, the cartoon villains under their bed (AKA BIG GUBBAMINT) at bay. They’re not as hardcore as you. They haven’t tested their mettle in the fires of battle. They don’t have perfect aim and a heart full of molten steel. Those poor bastards, prey to the law of unintended consequence. Oh, how we pity them. It’s up to you to protect them with your holy wrath, oh god of guns, oh master of slaughter, oh stalwart protector of 'Murican Freedom, oh guy from the Brawny Paper Towel ads. I know it’s a burden. I know it’s a lot to ask. Oh, if only there were experts we could pay and train and employ to **serve** and **protect** us, men and women with training, discipline, and oversight to maintain some semblance of law and order. But no, we don’t… all we have are patriotic gunmen responsible for protecting their property rights in a world without hope or civil order. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-is-planning-to-use-executive-orders-for-gun-control/646673.md?page=6)