# Obama leads in delegate count **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 7, 2008, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633 "2008-02-07T03:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2008, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/201 "2008-02-16T11:39:27Z")
I, for one, think it’s awesome that the vote margin according to CNN (it’s the one I check every day) has been steadily increasing for Obama, even though there haven’t been any votes cast since Tuesday. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2008, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/202 "2008-02-16T17:24:04Z")
Revisions in NY, mostly. He won more than was reported. ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2008, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/203 "2008-02-16T22:36:50Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] Revisions in NY, mostly. He won more than was reported. [/QUOTE] Wow, I wonder if they will find foul play… {{looks up}}} please, please, please, please ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2008, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/204 "2008-02-16T23:53:29Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Wow, I wonder if they will find foul play… {{looks up}}} please, please, please, please [/QUOTE] As of now they’re not claiming foul play, simply human error. It _is_ rather odd that that particular error only seems to have caused Obama to get zero votes and not the other way around. But truthfully, I don’t care, so long as he gets the delegates he’s entitled to and she never, ever becomes our President. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/205 "2008-02-17T01:35:40Z")
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**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/206 "2008-02-17T20:28:11Z")
More on the anxiety of even Clinton supporters of her comittment to take this all the way no matter how [ugly it gets.](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/17/clinton-schumer-differ-on-convention-battle/#more-5379) > [@](#): > > Democratic insiders worry that the party may emerge mortally wounded if this protracted nomination battle trudges on into the summer. > > But Hillary Clinton and one of her top backers, New York’s senior Sen. Chuck Schumer, apparently have different feelings on whether the fight should go all the way to the Democratic convention in late August. > > In Kenosha, Wisconsin on Saturday, Clinton said she was “prepared to go the distance” and make a push on the convention floor to seat the barred delegations from Michigan and Florida. > > She argued that the party was benefiting from the ongoing delegate chase. It’s “part of the excitement of the American political system,” she told reporters, adding that her husband’s 1992 campaign, which endured into the summer of that year, “was fun.” … > > But Schumer told NBC’s Tim Russert on Sunday’s edition of Meet the Press that the Clinton and Obama campaigns must avoid an “internecine fight that’s so bitter that the other feels that they can’t enthusiastically support the winner.” I stand by my analysis … if Obama does win Wisconsin with a decent margin Tuesday then insider supers will start to declare for him to help jump to the happy ending and to ensure that the ugliness that HRC sees as “fun” doesn’t have a chance to occur. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/207 "2008-02-17T21:44:35Z")
We’re finally starting to get head-to-head polling in general election battleground states. Right now, it looks very good for Obama. He is beating McCain, and Hillary is losing to McCain, in PA, OR, NH, and CO. Obama and Clinton are tied versus McCain in OH and FL (despite her large leads in those states among Democrats). Recall that Gore wouldn’t have need FL or OH if he’d won CO or NH. [All info courtesy of [realclearpolitics.com](http://realclearpolitics.com)] I don’t think polls are the ultimate predictor, but as I’ve said before, I think they are one important data point if we want to make a decision based on getting a Dem in the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/208 "2008-02-17T23:27:58Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] More on the anxiety of even Clinton supporters of her comittment to take this all the way no matter how [ugly it gets.](http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/17/clinton-schumer-differ-on-convention-battle/#more-5379) I stand by my analysis … if Obama does win Wisconsin with a decent margin Tuesday then insider supers will start to declare for him to help jump to the happy ending and to ensure that the ugliness that HRC sees as “fun” doesn’t have a chance to occur. [/QUOTE] The New York Times posted a great grid today, showing how the superdelegates stack up as to those who’ve come out in support of a candidate who won their state or district and those who support the losing candidate. It’s almost neck and neck among elected officials, with Hillary only enjoying a slight lead among those Governors (3 vs 2) and Senators (3 vs 2) who are endorsing her in states she didn’t win, though her lead with Congressional Representatives is slightly wider (16 vs 10), but still relatively close. Where it takes a stark divergence is with the DNC party leaders. Hillary has a VAST and ENORMOUS lead in the number of party leaders who are endorsing her, even though Obama won the state they “represent.” And _that_ is utterly despicable. We can’t fire those jokers! We can’t hold their feet to the fire in any way. I _get_ the concept that they’re free to vote their conscience, but that doesn’t make it palatable to me that _those_ are the people who may get to choose our Presidential nominee. > **[The New York Times \> US \> Image \> Superdelegates and Their Constituents](https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2008/02/17/us/20080217_DELEGATES_1_GRAPHIC.html)** ---
**Author:** ![Jolly\_Roger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/91b2a8/32.png) [@Jolly\_Roger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jolly_Roger)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/209 "2008-02-18T00:26:12Z")
I just read [this](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080217/ap_on_el_pr/obama_edwards) on Yahoo news: > [@](#): > > CHICAGO - Barack Obama sneaked down to North Carolina Sunday and met with former rival John Edwards, who has yet to make an endorsement in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. > > Officials at North Carolina television station WTVD said they have video taken from a helicopter of Obama leaving Edwards’ home in Chapel Hill. A producer said the station was “tipped off” about the meeting, but said the source was confidential. > > The Obama campaign confirmed the meeting. Although reporters normally travel everywhere with Obama, he left them behind to fly down in secret from his hometown. > > “Senator Obama visited this morning with John and Elizabeth Edwards at their home in Chapel Hill to discuss the state of the campaign and the pressing issues facing American families,” said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. He wouldn’t comment on the possibility of an endorsement ---
**Author:** ![Phlosphr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c68b51/32.png) [@Phlosphr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Phlosphr)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/210 "2008-02-18T00:27:50Z")
The fact that HRC is having ‘fun’ makes me highly suspect of what she may know that us commoners don’t. I have to admit **Shayna** I don’t like the looks of that grid too much. However, I do understand that it is representative of who is voting for who from a state where that candidate didn’t win. In all, Obama is currently holding a modest lead with sups and normal delegates. When he takes WI, and HI Tuesday it’ll begin to look a lot better ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/211 "2008-02-18T02:16:07Z")
Obama’s moved into a clear lead (7% yesterday, 5% today) in Gallup’s (national) [daily tracking poll](http://www.gallup.com/poll/104389/Gallup-Daily-Tracking-Election-2008.aspx). He’s also up by 3% in the Rasmussen tracker. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633.md?page=10)