# Obama leads in delegate count **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 7, 2008, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633 "2008-02-07T03:09:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/101 "2008-02-10T02:40:20Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] But the early early early data from Louisiana says almost dead even- what gives? There’s a big black population there- why isn’t Obama crushing Hillary? [/QUOTE] What gives is that it’s early, early, early. It’s like watching a tennis match in Louisiana. But it’s getting better. As of this posting, it’s OBAMA ------ 49% – 5,691 – 8 CLINTON — 37% – 4,240 – 8 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/102 "2008-02-10T02:45:16Z")
Looks like Obama is starting to pull away in La. Reportedly the exit polls are showing a blow out there as well. That early data only showed 1% of the precincts and like 2000 votes. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/103 "2008-02-10T02:47:16Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] What gives is that it’s early, early, early. It’s like watching a tennis match in Louisiana. But it’s getting better. As of this posting, it’s OBAMA ------ 49% – 5,691 – 8 CLINTON — 37% – 4,240 – 8 [/QUOTE] Obama’s up 54-35 now. I think we’ll see the checkmark in Barack’s little square pretty soon. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/104 "2008-02-10T02:56:43Z")
Interestingly, Obama seems to be winning most of the northern parishes of Louisiana, which are majority white. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/105 "2008-02-10T03:02:02Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Interestingly, Obama seems to be winning most of the northern parishes of Louisiana, which are majority white. [/QUOTE] And which went to Bush in 2004. Of course the talking heads are still claiming Obama was expected to win Louisiana because of the large black population. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/106 "2008-02-10T03:03:15Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] In part because the black turnout was relatively low. Keep in mind that a disproportionate number of blacks moved after Katrina. [/QUOTE] And I was looking at early numbers, and I suspect that a couple of pro-Clinton districts reported first, because the numbers are right back up in the 20+% lead range for Obama. Strong turnout for Obama today. Very encouraging, at least from where I’m standing. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/107 "2008-02-10T03:04:50Z")
[QUOTE=appleciders] And I was looking at early numbers, and I suspect that a couple of pro-Clinton districts reported first, because the numbers are right back up in the 20+% lead range for Obama. [/QUOTE] Right, I didn’t mean to imply mine was the primary reason. Just “in part.” ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/108 "2008-02-10T03:07:37Z")
[QUOTE=Richard Parker] Right, I didn’t mean to imply mine was the primary reason. Just “in part.” [/QUOTE] No, no, it’s cool. That hadn’t occurred to me. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/109 "2008-02-10T03:17:42Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] And which went to Bush in 2004. Of course the talking heads are still claiming Obama was expected to win Louisiana because of the large black population. :rolleyes: [/QUOTE] Well, I don’t want to make TOO much of it. It may be that the white voters in those parishes are mostly voting in the Republican primary, and that the black voters, though a minority in those parishes, may make up a majority of Democratic primary participants there. ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@JohnnieEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnieEnigma)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/110 "2008-02-10T03:18:48Z")
Yes, it was a clean sweep for Obama today… good for him! ---
**Author:** ![JohnnieEnigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@JohnnieEnigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnnieEnigma)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/111 "2008-02-10T03:20:09Z")
So the elderly are voting for hillary… it’s like the “Greatest Generation” has a race issue. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/112 "2008-02-10T03:31:24Z")
[QUOTE=JohnnieEnigma] So the elderly are voting for hillary… it’s like the “Greatest Generation” has a race issue. [/QUOTE] Either that, or they are shaking their collective fist at that Obama kid crossing their lawn. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/113 "2008-02-10T15:39:13Z")
It’s interesting, how strongly age is factoring into _both_ nomination contests. Stolen from [Atrios](http://atrios.blogspot.com/2008_02_03_archive.html#8917002684371034165): > [@](#): > > Bill Schneider on the Louisiana vote: “His fellow seniors are voting heavily for McCain…” ---
**Author:** ![Kevbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e47774/32.png) [@Kevbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kevbo)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/114 "2008-02-11T17:54:31Z")
[QUOTE=JohnnieEnigma] So the elderly are voting for hillary… it’s like the “Greatest Generation” has a race issue. [/QUOTE] Might not be racism so much as sexism. Due to war losses and longer female lifespans in general, there is an implicit gender gap (more women) within that age demographic. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/115 "2008-02-11T19:23:33Z")
[CNN election center](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/) today shows Clinton with 1,148 delegates, Obama with 1,121, including pledged delegates and superdelegates. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/116 "2008-02-11T19:51:46Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] [CNN election center](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/) today shows Clinton with 1,148 delegates, Obama with 1,121, including pledged delegates and superdelegates. [/QUOTE] Let’s be perfectly honest; it’s tied. Given that the superdelegated are not tied into any vote and the methods of polling them are less that ideally accurate, the straightforward truth is that the count could be interpreted as being good for either. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/117 "2008-02-11T20:23:24Z")
Meanwhile, [CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/10/politics/main3813759.shtml) now says Obama leads Clinton in the delegate count, including superdelegates – but only by a margin of three. In essence, tied. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/118 "2008-02-11T20:29:23Z")
Until tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/119 "2008-02-12T01:47:54Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Let’s be perfectly honest; it’s tied. Given that the superdelegated are not tied into any vote and the methods of polling them are less that ideally accurate, the straightforward truth is that the count could be interpreted as being good for either. [/QUOTE] I’ll grant a virtual tie. A couple of votes are not important at this stage. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633/120 "2008-02-12T13:48:35Z")
[Link](http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/maine_caucuses_barack_obama_to.html): > [@](#): > > Patti Solis Doyle had been living on borrowed time as Clinton’s campaign manager following the disastrous showing in Iowa and the rockiness leading up to the New Hampshire primary. > > “What happened today would have happened the day after New Hampshire had we lost,” one source said, adding that others may soon follow Solis Doyle’s departure. > > Initially, Clinton’s former White House chief of staff, Maggie Williams, was brought in to run the campaign even though Solis Doyle was still there. The result was confusion and awkwardness for the staff, who weren’t sure who was really in charge. > > But even more problematic was the campaign’s money crunch. Over the last seven years, Clinton had raised $175 million for her reelection and her presidential campaign. But Solis Doyle didn’t tell Clinton that there was next to no cash on hand until after the New Hampshire primary. > > “We were lying about money,” a source said. “The cash on hand was nothing.” > > In turn, Clinton didn’t tell Solis Doyle that she was lending her own money to keep the campaign afloat. Solis Doyle found out third-hand. And when she asked Clinton about it, the senator told her she couldn’t understand how the campaign had gotten to such a point. That’s some serious dysfunctionality going on. Not exactly what you’d want from someone who’s selling themselves as ready to run a superpower. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-in-delegate-count/436633.md?page=7)