# Obama leads Romney among NASCAR fans **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 25, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797 "2012-09-25T17:24:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![moonshot925](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f0a364/32.png) [@moonshot925](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/moonshot925)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/1 "2012-09-25T17:24:03Z")
> **[Obama leads Romney among NASCAR fans: Poll](https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-romney-nascar-poll-140401668--politics.html)** > > Mitt Romney's recent slide in several polls, including those in the battleground states of Ohio, Virginia and Florida, is troubling enough for the GOP. But, now the Republican nominee appears to be trailing President Barack Obama among a... Another skewed poll. I can’t imagine anyone whom the NASCAR could hate more than Obozo. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/2 "2012-09-25T17:35:18Z")
I’m sure you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/3 "2012-09-25T17:36:16Z")
> [@moonshot925](#): > > [Yahoo News: Latest and Breaking News, Headlines, Live Updates, and More](http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/obama-romney-nascar-poll-140401668--politics.html) > > Another skewed poll. > > I can’t imagine anyone whom the NASCAR could hate more than Obozo. 1. What leads you to the conclusion that JZ Analytics has erred in it’s methodology for this particular poll? Specifics please, as this is not the pit. 2. Do you believe that using an amusing variation of the president’s name gives your posting additional veracity? If not, why do you use it in this particular forum? ETA: 3. Do you think that Governor Romney would lead in a poll of NASCAR team owners? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/4 "2012-09-25T17:41:28Z")
I suggest that you stay away from sharp objects and dangerous machinery on November 6, you are not going to be pleased. It seems to me that Obama is pulling away with many groups and gaining in those groups that he did poorly with before. Romney’s once formidable lead among seniors has vanished. The Obama lead is approaching insurmountable levels. Would we expect NASCAR fans to be for Obama? No. But Romney’s campaign has been such a disaster that there is no group that he can take for granted. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/5 "2012-09-25T17:46:48Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Would we expect NASCAR fans to be for Obama? No. But Romney’s campaign has been such a disaster that there is no group that he can take for granted. NASCAR has become such a mainstream sport that even though it has traditional conservative/right wing/Southern roots - nowadays the population of fans more resembles a regular slice of America. What I’m saying is that it used to be the Alabama of sports, but now its more of an Ohio. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/6 "2012-09-25T17:53:00Z")
It’s true the NASCAR fans don’t care for Rmoney, but the owners like him OK, so you can take some comfort there. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/7 "2012-09-25T17:53:24Z")
> [@](#): > > The online poll of 860 likely voters conducted on Sept. 21 and 22 Online polls generally aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, so in this case I will agree that it’s likely a flawed poll. Also, the sample size of that particular subset was likely rather small, leading to very large error bars. I recommend the OP just look at [unskewedpolls.com](http://unskewedpolls.com) (I think that’s the URL) to feel better about the polling data. Then don’t watch the returns on Nov 6. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/8 "2012-09-25T18:08:51Z")
I’m not a NASCAR fan, but my daughter’s ex-bf is, and I’m offended for him that you would insult the intelligence of NASCAR fans by assuming they’d be for Romney. ---
**Author:** ![Nancarrow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/c37758/32.png) [@Nancarrow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nancarrow)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/9 "2012-09-25T18:14:12Z")
> [@Ca3799](#): > > It’s true the NASCAR fans don’t care for Rmoney, but the owners like him OK, so you can take some comfort there. That’s the best damn typo I’ve ever seen. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/10 "2012-09-25T18:19:53Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > I’m not a NASCAR fan, but my daughter’s ex-bf is, and I’m offended for him that you would insult the intelligence of NASCAR fans by assuming they’d be for Romney. I don’t think I’d go that far. I recognize that NASCAR has expanded its fan base, but still I would wager that it is more rural, southern, and white than the nation as a whole. Since Obama tends to poll poorly in rural areas, in the south, and among whites than otherwise, I wouldn’t take offense at the assumption that NASCAR fans would be unlikely to support Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/11 "2012-09-25T18:20:54Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > That’s the best damn typo I’ve ever seen. You think that was a typo? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/12 "2012-09-25T18:23:34Z")
[Rmoney](http://libertyworks.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Rmoney.gif)is more of a Freudian slip than a typo. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/13 "2012-09-25T18:26:13Z")
Zogby sucks and online polls are worthless. However I am loving the narrative that Romney is winning and the polls are wrong. It’s going to be even more fun hearing that one on November 7th. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/14 "2012-09-25T18:52:58Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > However I am loving the narrative that Romney is winning and the polls are wrong. It’s going to be even more fun hearing that one on November 7th. It really is awesome. The fact that somebody went to the trouble to create a website “unskewing” every poll to show a Romney landslide is amazing to me. [http://www.salon.com/2012/09/25/the\_website\_where\_mitt\_romneys\_winning\_in\_a\_landslide/](http://www.salon.com/2012/09/25/the_website_where_mitt_romneys_winning_in_a_landslide/) ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/15 "2012-09-25T18:56:18Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Zogby sucks and online polls are worthless. However I am loving the narrative that Romney is winning and the polls are wrong. It’s going to be even more fun hearing that one on November 7th. Online polls where anyone visiting a webpage is invited “click here if you like XX” are certainly useless. However this was not one of those, FYI. From a link in the article: > [@](#): > > Using trusted interactive partner resources, thousands of adults were invited to participate in this interactive survey. Each invitation is password coded and secure so that one respondent can only access the survey one time. > Using information based on census data, CIA fact books and exit polls, we use complex weighting techniques to best represent the demographics of the population being surveyed. Weighted variables may include age, race, gender, region, party, education, and religion. So while this poll may not be as accurate as one might wish, it is not as worthless as you might think at first from hearing the words “online poll”. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/16 "2012-09-25T18:58:12Z")
That still sounds pretty useless unless they were able to keep track of which invitees actually responded. But even if it wasn’t a typical online poll, Zogby still sucks. Their performance in the last few elections has been terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Ca3799](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9f8e36/32.png) [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/17 "2012-09-25T19:01:46Z")
> [@Nancarrow](#): > > That’s the best damn typo I’ve ever seen. LOL- I did that special for **moonshot925**. He usually types ‘Obama’ with a zero, like this: “0bama.” ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/18 "2012-09-25T19:02:21Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Online polls generally aren’t worth the paper they’re printed on, so in this case I will agree that it’s likely a flawed poll. Also, the sample size of that particular subset was likely rather small, leading to very large error bars. > > I recommend the OP just look at [unskewedpolls.com](http://unskewedpolls.com) (I think that’s the URL) to feel better about the polling data. Then don’t watch the returns on Nov 6. A sample size of 860 - provided it’s well selected - is more than sufficient to create an accurate poll within a few percentage points. The stuff between the dashes is the difficult part, though. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/19 "2012-09-25T19:07:05Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That still sounds pretty useless unless they were able to keep track of which invitees actually responded I don’t really see any reason why its worse then phone surveys, where most people also don’t respond. If nothing else, you might at least get a _different_ skew then phone surveys, and so get some extra information out of responses. > [@Raygun](#): > > A sample size of 860 - provided it’s well selected - is more than sufficient to create an accurate poll within a few percentage points. The stuff between the dashes is the difficult part, though. The subsample size of NASCAR fans was 200, which gives you error bars of 7%. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2012, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797/20 "2012-09-25T19:10:21Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > I don’t really see any reason why its worse then phone surveys, where most people also don’t respond. If nothing else, you might at least get a _different_ skew then phone surveys, and so get some extra information out of responses. That’s a reasonable point. But I am skeptical of this particular result and pollster. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-leads-romney-among-nascar-fans/635797.md?page=2)