# Obama must stop stalling MI/FL revotes for the good of the party **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 26, 2008, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961 "2008-04-26T13:29:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961/161 "2008-04-30T16:54:48Z")
[QUOTE=Keweenaw] The results from the 55 were based on undecided votes so they probably wouldn’t even all be for Obama. At least a few people who initially were voting undecided (Edwards) would have made Clinton their second choice. [/QUOTE] of course many who voted for HIllary may have voted for Obama as well. One thing to keep in mind is at the time of these primaries Hillary had far better name recognition than Obama. The inability to campaing in either Florida or Michigan clearly hurt Obama, still a somewhat unknown quantity, much more than the already established HRC. ---
**Author:** ![Ocean\_Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8797f3/32.png) [@Ocean\_Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ocean_Annie)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2008, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961/162 "2008-04-30T18:40:21Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by [electoral-vote.com](http://electoral-vote.com) > Four Michigan Democrats have launched a new proposal for seating the Michigan delegates. One of them is Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), who is almost single-handedly responsible for the problem in the first place since it was he who championed the idea of violating DNC rules and having Michigan vote on January 15. The group says Clinton wants to accept the election results, which favor her 73 to 55 and Obama wants to split it 64 to 64, so let’s compromise at 69 for Clinton and 59 for Obama. It is not clear if the DNC will buy this though. Many DNC members are very angry with Michigan for knowingly violating party rules. Clearly, all Obama’s fault. [/QUOTE] Clearly Obama is the spoiler :dubious: I can almost understand this argument for Florida where both candidates were actually on the ballot. But Michigan? No way. It is total bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2008, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961/163 "2008-05-04T23:01:03Z")
[QUOTE=Phlosphr] Every presidential candidate had something to dodge in recent memory. Clinton dodged Ms.Flowers and every other president who has made it to the White House has had to dodge something. [/quote] You do know what a “false analogy” is, I trust? Judging from your screen name, that is. There is a \*huge \* difference between problems of leadership of a nation (“uniting” leadership, at that), and personal matters that are nobody else’s business and have nothing to do with leadership. If you really must find ways to rationalize Obama’s ducking, the level to which you must go to do so says everything it needs to. > [@](#): > > I agree this will be a defining moment for Obama, but not something to cost him the nomination. No way. Tell us about the poll _trends_, which you have been so quick to tout whenever they’ve favored your guy. Or just look at the poll actuals - **RTFirefly** , for one, seems quite happy to discuss them at length, without prejudice of any sort. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2008, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961/164 "2008-05-05T13:43:11Z")
[QUOTE=ElvisL1ves] Or just look at the poll actuals - **RTFirefly** , for one, seems quite happy to discuss them at length, without prejudice of any sort. [/QUOTE] Thanks for the compliment - but what happened to “the cherry-picked individual poll data” that I “so lavishly festoon the Forkfest threads with”? ---
**Author:** ![stolichnaya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bcef8e/32.png) [@stolichnaya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stolichnaya)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2008, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961/165 "2008-05-05T14:26:43Z")
Those incidents are outliers, so we don’t include them in your average. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-must-stop-stalling-mi-fl-revotes-for-the-good-of-the-party/446961.md?page=8)