# Obama or Hilary-- who has the better chance? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 18, 2006, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857 "2006-10-18T00:05:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/41 "2006-10-18T20:57:58Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] I think the kind of voters who would be more turned off by Obama than Hillary shaking hands with Jackson would not be voting for Obama in the first place. [/QUOTE] I agree with this statement. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/42 "2006-10-18T20:59:17Z")
I think he’s taken the Colin Powell course on How-to-sell-the-most-books-while-pretending-to-run-for-President. He’s unlikely to run, and if he were to run, he would lose to Hil-uh-ree in a landslide. Now, if he’s got the stones to be her veep, the election would be over today. The republicans could resurrect Reagan, and they’d still lose. It’s hard to keep the dems base focused, but tie HRC and Obama-lama together, and it’s the mother of all three legged races. I do believe that Hollywood would simply implode at the news. ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/43 "2006-10-18T21:01:07Z")
[QUOTE=Icarus] IMHO the white urban democrat voters, the ones who are really going to be deciding this, would have more of a tendancy to have latent issues with a black than a women in the highest office. As to who would have a better chance against any Republican, there are more women swing voters and Republicans to cross over and vote for a Hillary than black swing voters and Republicans to cross over and vote for a Obama. Republican white men crossing over will be infintesimal in either case. So, I can see Hillary actually winning more easily than Obama. [/QUOTE] Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/44 "2006-10-18T21:02:14Z")
[QUOTE=Onomatopoeia] The prejudicial perceptions you referenced above exist, and **will** have an effect, and not an insubstantial one, IMO. [/QUOTE] Yeah, which is why I fear for the country. After all, prejudicial perceptions are how we got stuck with GWB in the first place… ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/45 "2006-10-18T21:12:52Z")
[QUOTE=rjung] Yeah, which is why I fear for the country. After all, prejudicial perceptions are how we got stuck with GWB in the first place… [/QUOTE] Well, yeah, sadly there is that to hark back to, isn’t there? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/46 "2006-10-18T21:33:27Z")
[QUOTE=you with the face] They wouldn’t exactly be Clinton lovers either, though. Some perceived offense like BO being overly friendly with black organizations and causes could nudge some fence sitters (who are biased against both women and blacks) towards the Clinton side. [/quote] :smack: Stupid me. I misread the OP and was thinking we were debating who would have a better chance to win against a Republican opponent. I think I was mislead by the title. But now I undertand why 2010 was chosen… I need to rethink this whole idea, but my first impression is that it doesn’t make much sense as a hypothetical because the US would have to be an entirely different country to have those two running against each other. I mean, are we also supposed to assume that they’re in the same party? If not, which is in which party? Lots of people vote for the party more than the person. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/47 "2006-10-18T22:50:52Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] The republicans could resurrect Reagan, and they’d still lose. It’s hard to keep the dems base focused, but tie HRC and Obama-lama together, and it’s the mother of all three legged races. I do believe that Hollywood would simply implode at the news. [/QUOTE] 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/48 "2006-10-18T22:57:11Z")
I think Obama will be president one day, but not now. Hillary doesn’t stand a chance. ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/49 "2006-10-18T23:05:51Z")
I think I need to clarify. In this alternate universe, Osama and Clinton are running against each other for President. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/50 "2006-10-18T23:09:39Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] I think I need to clarify. In this alternate universe, Osama and Clinton are running against each other for President. [/QUOTE] In the general election or in the primary? ---
**Author:** ![spazattak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@spazattak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/spazattak)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/51 "2006-10-18T23:13:52Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] I think I need to clarify. In this alternate universe, Osama and Clinton are running against each other for President. [/QUOTE] oooo there’s a doozy of a freudian slip ---
**Author:** ![Walter\_Windchill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Walter\_Windchill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walter_Windchill)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/52 "2006-10-18T23:14:59Z")
[QUOTE=spazattak] oooo there’s a doozy of a freudian slip [/QUOTE] She said running, not rubbing. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/53 "2006-10-18T23:41:52Z")
[QUOTE=Biggirl] I think I need to clarify. In this alternate universe, Osama and Clinton are running against each other for President. [/QUOTE] NOW it’s Osama! Well, HRC can beat him anyway. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Biggirl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biggirl/32/3294_2.png) [@Biggirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biggirl)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/54 "2006-10-19T00:04:13Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] NOW it’s Osama! Well, HRC can beat him anyway. 🙂 [/QUOTE] Dang it! I was oh so careful the first 10 ten times I typed the name. **alphaboi867** I mean in a general election. ---
**Author:** ![diggleblop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ac91a4/32.png) [@diggleblop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/diggleblop)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/55 "2006-10-19T04:16:13Z")
Obama, but neither have a chance in hell. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/56 "2006-10-19T15:26:25Z")
[QUOTE=diggleblop] Obama, but neither have a chance in hell. [/QUOTE] NOW we want to decide who can win in Hell?! Osama. No contest. 🙂 Black Dopers, How do you think the urban Black subculture, those who embrace Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, would take to him in a general? He’s not really one of them. His father was not of African-American roots, but a Black African, an entirely different culture at this point. He was raised by his White Kansan mother in Hawaii in a White family. Sure, he has embraced identity with Black America, but does Black America embrace him back? ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/57 "2006-10-19T15:49:01Z")
[QUOTE=DSeid] NOW we want to decide who can win in Hell?! Osama. No contest. 🙂 Black Dopers, How do you think the urban Black subculture, those who embrace Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, would take to him in a general? He’s not really one of them. His father was not of African-American roots, but a Black African, an entirely different culture at this point. He was raised by his White Kansan mother in Hawaii in a White family. Sure, he has embraced identity with Black America, but does Black America embrace him back? [/QUOTE] Yes, because of the following reasons: 1. He’s a democrat 2. To my knowledge, he’s on the “right” side of most Black issues 3. He seems to pretty comfortable around Black people 4. He doesn’t seem afraid to discuss Black issues 5. Married a Black woman ---
**Author:** ![brickbacon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@brickbacon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brickbacon)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/58 "2006-10-19T15:50:27Z")
Plus, I think Hillary would beat him by a pretty wide margin. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2006, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/59 "2006-10-19T15:54:20Z")
Obama and Hillary, running against each other in the general election? The Republican candidate wins, whoever he or she is. Easily. :eek: Obama and Hillary, running against each other in the primaries? Hmmm. That’s a tougher one. My money would be on Obama. Hillary is hated with the heat of a thousand suns by most Republicans. Most Democrats know that, and they’ll reeeeeeeeeeeally want to win the next time around. With such sky-high negatives, I strongly doubt that Hillary could win in a general election, so someone will emerge as an alternative in the primaries. That person might very well be Obama, who’s bright, articulate, has an upbeat and positive life story, and a good political line. Between Hillary, with all of her baggage, and Obama, who (at the moment, at least) is a virtual rock star, Obama wins. In November, more independents and moderate Republicans would vote for him than would ever vote for Hillary, too, so it’s all good. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2006, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857/60 "2006-10-21T14:26:57Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > Obama- I disagree with him politically but I don’t view him as a threat to the Republic. [QUOTE=BrainGlutton] But how is HRC a threat to the Republic? [/QUOTE] I repeat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hilary-who-has-the-better-chance/376857.md?page=4)