# Obama or Hillary? Can the Dems put a woman or a black man in the White House? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [January 23, 2007, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073 "2007-01-23T08:08:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073/81 "2007-01-31T02:30:03Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] They’ll go up, don’t worry. Giuliani’s gotten a free ride since 9/11 _because he hasn’t been running for anything_. If he runs, that’ll change, and there’s plenty of unflattering stuff about him. And how many Ohioans know that McCain voted to _abolish the minimum wage entirely_ just the other day? Bet that fact alone would bump his unfavorables up by 10+ points. [/QUOTE] But with all of McCain’s ties to Bush, why are his unfavorables so low? I can understand Giuliani’s. I don’t know how moderate/liberal Republicanism will play in Ohio right now. DeWine was hardly a right-winger, but he got squashed. Blackwell of course was far right, but he was also far crooked and far tied to Taft. Voinovich is a moderate, but hasn’t had to face an election since the tide turned. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073/82 "2007-01-31T02:37:14Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] But with all of McCain’s ties to Bush, why are his unfavorables so low? [/QUOTE] Didn’t Bush treat him badly during the primary? ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073/83 "2007-01-31T15:39:16Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] But with all of McCain’s ties to Bush, why are his unfavorables so low? [/QUOTE] Because the press has soft-pedaled those ties, and continued to repeat the now-dated meme of McCain as a maverick Republican. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073/84 "2007-01-31T16:22:55Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] It would have reverted to the States the authority to determine the proper minimum wage. [/QUOTE] So it would have abolished _federal_ minimum wage, not > [@RTFirefly](#): > > _abolish the minimum wage entirely_ as per you previous post. Glad to see your levels of truthiness are intact! ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073/85 "2007-01-31T22:52:46Z")
[QUOTE=John Corrado] So it would have abolished _federal_ minimum wage, not as per you previous post. Glad to see your levels of truthiness are intact! [/QUOTE] Yeah, and you can see I was so intent on deceiving people that I clarified things _in my very next post._ Got anything important to say, or are you here only to criticize people’s errors after they’ve fixed them all by themselves? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Corrado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a88e4f/32.png) [@John\_Corrado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Corrado)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073/86 "2007-02-01T15:31:23Z")
[QUOTE=RTFirefly] Got anything important to say, or are you here only to criticize people’s errors after they’ve fixed them all by themselves? [/QUOTE] I’m only here to use the word “truthiness”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-or-hillary-can-the-dems-put-a-woman-or-a-black-man-in-the-white-house/389073.md?page=4)