# Obama releases long form birth certificate **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [April 27, 2011, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886 "2011-04-27T13:32:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![cuauhtemoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecb155/32.png) [@cuauhtemoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cuauhtemoc)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/21 "2011-04-27T14:36:25Z")
Trying to figure out what the next issue will be with this document… Hey, there are three different dates on it! August 4, August 7, and August 8. Well, which is it, Mr. “President”? It’s amazing and depressing how easy this is. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/22 "2011-04-27T14:42:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I wish I could believe this is going to change anything. > > Regards, > Shodan Word. It’s quite clearly a forgery–and a damned good one, which is why it took so long to create. Producing it now only proves the birthers were right all along. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/23 "2011-04-27T14:45:57Z")
But Stanley Ann Dunham was a US citizen, right? Doesn’t her citizenship automatically apply to her children irrespective of where she whelps? How is/was this addressed by birthers? ---
**Author:** ![Old\_Eel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/977dab/32.png) [@Old\_Eel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Old_Eel)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/24 "2011-04-27T14:46:59Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > Trying to figure out what the next issue will be with this document… > > Hey, there are three different dates on it! August 4, August 7, and August 8. Well, which is it, Mr. “President”? > > It’s amazing and depressing how easy this is. He’s a Leo no matter how you slide it. ---
**Author:** ![UncleRojelio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/unclerojelio/32/3160_2.png) [@UncleRojelio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleRojelio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/25 "2011-04-27T14:49:05Z")
How did Trump get to be a billionaire (a few different times) without the ability to process facts, act on them, and move on? Seems to me if he were so obstinate all the time he’d still be working on his first million. My only explanation is that this is all for show. Like a TV program, for example. ---
**Author:** ![Simplicio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c37758/32.png) [@Simplicio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Simplicio)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/26 "2011-04-27T14:50:34Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > But Stanley Ann Dunham was a US citizen, right? Doesn’t her citizenship automatically apply to her children irrespective of where she whelps? How is/was this addressed by birthers? Laws at the time required you to live in the US for 20 or so years before you could pass your citizenship to an out-of-country born child. As Dunham was only 18 when her son was born, had he been born in Kenya he probably wouldn’t have been a natural born citizen (though I’m sure he would’ve been naturalized pretty effortlessly upon Dunham returning to the States). ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/27 "2011-04-27T14:53:24Z")
> [@Simplicio](#): > > Laws at the time required you to live in the US for 20 or so years before you could pass your citizenship to an out-of-country born child. As Dunham was only 18 when her son was born, had he been born in Kenya he probably wouldn’t have been a natural born citizen (though I’m sure he would’ve been naturalized pretty effortlessly upon Dunham returning to the States). 10 years and 5 years had to be after the age of 16. [Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp) has a full article. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/28 "2011-04-27T14:53:40Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > But Stanley Ann Dunham was a US citizen, right? Doesn’t her citizenship automatically apply to her children irrespective of where she whelps? How is/was this addressed by birthers? US Code at the time would not have given natural born citizen status to a person born outside the US to Dunham due to her having lived outside the US for a certain period of time, or some shit. ---
**Author:** ![Double\_Foolscap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/85e7bf/32.png) [@Double\_Foolscap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Double_Foolscap)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/29 "2011-04-27T15:19:04Z")
“And with that bit of evidence, all the conspiracy theorists admitted they were wrong and went on with their lives. Now here’s Dave with the latest on how that snowball is faring in Hell.” ---
**Author:** ![Baracus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@Baracus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baracus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/30 "2011-04-27T15:25:01Z")
> [@cuauhtemoc](#): > > Trying to figure out what the next issue will be with this document… > > Hey, there are three different dates on it! August 4, August 7, and August 8. Well, which is it, Mr. “President”? > > It’s amazing and depressing how easy this is. On my local news board, much hay is being made over his father’s “African” race. Several Sarah Palin wannabes are claiming that “African” is a nationality, not a race. Others insist it would have said “Negro”. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/31 "2011-04-27T16:01:46Z")
I read somewhere that the racial identification (African and Caucasian) is based on whatever the parents said. So presumably that’s how his father identified himself. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/32 "2011-04-27T16:10:58Z")
> [@UncleRojelio](#): > > Seems to me if he were so obstinate all the time he’d still be working on his first million. I understand that he worked for his fathers company, and his first job in college was landscaping for a foreclosed apartment complex that his daddy purchased for him for 5.7 million dollars. I don’t think he made minimum wage. He was born on third base, and thought that he’d hit a triple. ---
**Author:** ![42fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/4/b487fb/32.png) [@42fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/42fish)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/33 "2011-04-27T16:13:35Z")
> [@Baracus](#): > > On my local news board, much hay is being made over his father’s “African” race. Several Sarah Palin wannabes are claiming that “African” is a nationality, not a race. What about the Obama-mama’s “Caucasian” race? You know where the Caucasus Mountains are, dontcha: the former Soviet Union. That’s right, the president’s mom was a damn Communist furriner! ---
**Author:** ![Baracus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/2bfe46/32.png) [@Baracus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baracus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/34 "2011-04-27T16:25:23Z")
> [@EvilTOJ](#): > > Trump is unabashedly completely taking credit. I wonder what ORLY thinks about this. I am still unclear what trump is taking credit for. Exposing Obama as a not fraud? ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/35 "2011-04-27T16:49:32Z")
It was just getting too expensive to keep covering it up. He’d already spent over 60 trillion in legal fees to hide it by last count. He finally ran out of money so he had to release it. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/36 "2011-04-27T18:07:19Z")
Birthers love to trumpet the “fact” that Indonesian law forbids dual citizenship, so Obama must have renounced his American citizenship!!!11OMG. And of course they don’t bother to check to see that the law actually says that anyone _over the age of 18_ cannot carry dual citizenship. It’s all a red herring, since they’re assuming that his mother renounced her US citizenship in the first place, instead of living there on a visa. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/37 "2011-04-27T18:13:39Z")
Can’t they hire better forgers! I mean really. The Local Registrar was a Ukulele? Are they just playing us? Strumming us along, so to speak? I looks like it was printed on the same paper that those Publisher’s Clearing House Sweepstakes checks come on. He probably wasn’t born on this planet at all and that is why the SETI telescopes have been put into hibernation. Coincidence? I don’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![heathen\_earthling](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/13edae/32.png) [@heathen\_earthling](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/heathen_earthling)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/38 "2011-04-27T18:20:07Z")
From an anti-Obama conspiracy guy in my Facebook feed: “If you open the PDF file in Adobe Illustrator, it shows the document was created using multiple layers.” I guess I can get away with this by not being an American, but I did not previously know that President Obama has the exact same name as his father. Or that there existed women named Stanley. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/39 "2011-04-27T18:26:16Z")
> [@heathen\_earthling](#): > > Or that there existed women named Stanley. I’d guess that Mr Dunham wanted a son. I work with a woman named Johnie Jo (she’s goes by JJ). ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2011, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886/40 "2011-04-27T18:29:07Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > I’d guess that Mr Dunham wanted a son. I work with a woman named Johnie Jo (she’s goes by JJ). I thought I remembered this, and the Wiki article says that her father wanted a son, and she was named after him. She eventually started going by her middle name. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/579886.md?page=3)