# Obama "scares" former P&G VP Lou Pritchett in mass email -- What say you? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 29, 2009, 7:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142 "2009-08-29T07:25:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/61 "2009-08-30T22:12:57Z")
Procter & Gamble scares me because they’re the kind of company that would make this hatebag a VP. ---
**Author:** ![R.P.McMurphy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7993a0/32.png) [@R.P.McMurphy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/R.P.McMurphy)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/62 "2009-08-30T22:39:44Z")
> [@](#): > > You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support. Yes, this is piling on the exposure of the utter stupidity of Pritchett’s babbling but for Crissakes, it’s no secret that his wife had a high paying job and Obama was a Senior Lecturer at the University of Chicago. From the UofC: > [@](#): > > From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. It takes less than a minute of Goooooogling to verify this. How stupid can some people (Pritchett) be and how further stupid can people be to listen to such idiots? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/63 "2009-08-30T22:59:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Could I get cites for all this? > This,too, please. It’s called “Google”. Check it out sometime, it’s great. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2009, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/64 "2009-08-30T23:26:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > **You scare me because you prefer ‘wind mills’ to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.** > > What the hell is this guy talking about? Obama’s interest in alternative energy, I guess, with “wind mills” in scare quotes to, I gather, invoke a Don Quixote image of madness and futility. If it weren’t utterly stupid, it would be very slightly clever. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/65 "2009-08-31T01:26:58Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Procter & Gamble scares me because they’re the kind of company that would make this hatebag a VP. What else would you expect from a company dedicated to serving the dark lord Satan? ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/66 "2009-08-31T01:44:16Z")
> [@wierdaaron](#): > > Some people don’t let facts or evidence (or the lack thereof) get in the way of their opinions. > > I don’t have any facts or evidence to support my theory that Bugs Bunny was formerly a grand wizard in the KKK, but that doesn’t stop me from telling everybody in my email address book on a daily basis. Well, it WOULD explain the pointy headgear. ---
**Author:** ![Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Tapioca\_Dextrin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tapioca_Dextrin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/67 "2009-08-31T02:53:23Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > George H.W. Bush had no connection to the Texas Rangers; it was purely George W. Bush’s investment. And W. did not “run” the Rangers; he was a co-owner but was not involved in the management of the franchise. I didn’t see the need to let facts get in the way of a rant. I took my cue from the glurge in the OP 😛 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/68 "2009-08-31T21:09:14Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Isn’t “no visible mans of support” law-enforcement-speak for “probably a drug dealer or gangster”? Seems like he’s implying that Obama got his money from some illegal activity. Something people tend, with some justice, simply to assume of any pol coming out of Chicago. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/69 "2009-08-31T21:12:18Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > This wasn’t really written by the head of P&G, was it? I don’t buy it. This was fabricated by some halfwit teabagger. Six of one . . . ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/70 "2009-08-31T21:14:52Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And Wright certainly is a radical extremist who hates America. Mods, please, **please** move this thread to the Pit so I can respond appropriately. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/71 "2009-08-31T21:22:04Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > 6-10 are certainly formative years, despite what you might deny. Those are formative years, but the wording suggests Obama spent _all_ of his formative years out of the country. Unless “the formative years of youth” are six to 10, and not, say, zero to 12 or something, this is not true. People grow up between the ages of six and 10, but they certainly don’t start growing up at six and they aren’t finished growing up at 10. And that’s separate from whatever the author thinks “culturally American” means. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/72 "2009-08-31T21:28:17Z")
Lou Pritchett sounds like a massive idiot. Someone get him a life-preserver so he doesn’t drown in his soup! ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/73 "2009-08-31T22:04:29Z")
> [@YogSosoth](#): > > Lou Pritchett sounds like a massive idiot. Someone get him a life-preserver so he doesn’t drown in his soup! So you have something against survival of the fittest? ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/74 "2009-08-31T22:11:42Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > So you have something against survival of the fittest? Even the mentally disabled such as Lou Pritchett deserves mercy. I don’t want him to drown, I want him to fall down some stairs and be in a coma and let his family decide whether or not to use public health care to keep him alive. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/75 "2009-08-31T22:16:52Z")
> [@whorfin](#): > > Well, let’s spell it out. How is he “culturally, not an American?” You’d have to ask Pritchett. > [@](#): > > I’ve offered citations. Please do the same. Sure. > [@](#): > > Obama went to college and law school in America. > [http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/President\_Obama/](http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/President_Obama/) He attended a Muslim school for several years. [Cite](http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama.madrassa/). He also spent some of his formative years outside the US (already cited). > [@](#): > > His direct family (with the exception of his father, who was absent for most of his life), and his step-father (who he lived with between the ages of 6 and 10) lived in america. And his half-brother lived in Kenya ([cite](http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/01/31/george.obama.arrest/)). So both of his father figures, both his birth father and his step-father, lived with him outside the US, just as Pritchett mentioned. > [@](#): > > He spent most of his life in america. > [http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSTRE4A43VA20081105](http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed2/idUSTRE4A43VA20081105) > He married an American woman. > [http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/michelle\_obama/](http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/michelle_obama/) > He went into local politics, and then national politics. > [http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/President\_Obama/](http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/President_Obama/) None of this is disputed, any more than Pritchett’s assertions. > [@](#): > > He likes american beer. > [Obama Beer Summit Choices Make For A Happy Hour : NPR](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111373030&ft=1&f=1001) > He likes hamburgers. > [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30582391/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30582391/) This is frankly a little petty, not to say stupid. It is roughly equivalent to saying that Obama has a funny-sounding foreign name, which is equally true and equally useless. > [@](#): > > Seriously, what are you contending “culturally, not an American” means? What do you think the author means? I think he means pretty much what he said, with the addition of what I mentioned about his Muslim school experience. > [@](#): > > From my point of view, he looks almost entirely culturally american. That is pretty much the same as with **Diogenes** - you have an opinion, based on facts you think are important, and Pritchett has another, also based on facts. You think his facts are unimportant; presumably he would think your facts are unimportant (as do I, in the cases I mentioned). So what? Opinion is not unanimous about Obama. Boo hoo. As of recently, his approval rating has dropped by thirty points or so from its peak. Apparently people can change their opinion (except on the SDMB). Imagine that. > [@](#): > > One point on this–most boards meet a few times a year. It’s certainly a contact, but it’s not a big deal. Most people on the board of some entity have completely independent jobs. They may or may not know the other people on the board personally. The fact that Obama served on a board with someone else means next-to-nothing. Sure, in and of itself. Of course, you didn’t mention that Obama lived three blocks away from Ayers ([cite](http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html)) and admitted knowing him personally and, as I mentioned, it ws in his living room ([cite](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html)) that his political career started. > [@](#): > > You know, I have faith that the president who taught constitutional law wouldn’t take either of these blatantly unconstitutional moves. You’re probably right - this is mostly faith-based argumentation, both for you and for Pritchett. Just as it was back when some Dopers were claiming that Bush was going to cancel the elections. > [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [Quote=Shodan] > > And Wright certainly is a radical extremist who hates America. Mods, please, please move this thread to the Pit so I can respond appropriately. [/quote] Gee, like we’ve never had any discussion about Wright in the Pit before. For crying out loud, any criticism of St. Obama and you can’t debate rationally. :rolleyes: I mean, look at this shit - > [@wierdaaron](#): > > You scare me because you are black and a democrat, and I am an old white man easily frightened by things that aren’t me. All criticism of Obama has to be based on racism and xenophobia. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/76 "2009-08-31T22:23:59Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I think he means pretty much what he said, with the addition of what I mentioned about his Muslim school experience. That is pretty much the same as with **Diogenes** - you have an opinion, based on facts you think are important, and Pritchett has another, also based on facts. You think his facts are unimportant; presumably he would think your facts are unimportant (as do I, in the cases I mentioned). No - you are making the erroneous assumption that his opinion was based on facts. Just because you have found facts that support your opinion doesn’t mean he knows about those facts - it is certainly possible that his fears are unfounded and completely pulled out thin air. In fact, he _says_ they are. “I know nothing about you.” doesn’t mean informed opinon. Quite the opposite. And “he likes hamburgers and american beer” are an _excellent_ rebuttal to “culturally you are not an American.” At least, to those of us who have some idea of what American culture _is_. (Though admittedly, he’d need “He likes reality TV” to go for the trifecta.) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/77 "2009-08-31T22:33:50Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > You’d have to ask Pritchett. > Sure. > > He attended a Muslim school for several years False. He went to a public school with a majority Muslim population. It was not a Muslim school. > [@](#): > > and his half-brother lived in Kenya ([cite](http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/africa/01/31/george.obama.arrest/)). So? > [@](#): > > So both of his father figures, both his birth father and his step-father, lived with him outside the US, just as Pritchett mentioned. He never lived outside the US with his birth father. It’s irrelevant that he lived outside the US with his stepfather. He was a small child at the time. He has lived 44 of his 48 years (including most of his formative years) in the US. He is culturally as American as it gets. > [@](#): > > I think he means pretty much what he said, with the addition of what I mentioned about his Muslim school experience. He never went to a Muslim school. That is false. > [@](#): > > Sure, in and of itself. Of course, you didn’t mention that Obama lived three blocks away from Ayers So what? > [@](#): > > and admitted knowing him personally Barely. So what? > [@](#): > > and, as I mentioned, it ws in his living room ([cite](http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8630.html)) that his political career started This is false too. Don’t believe everything you see on Sean hannity. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/78 "2009-08-31T23:09:52Z")
And how exactly does his experience in “Sales and Customer Development” make his crazy paranoid rant anymore relevant than that of any other random man in the street (or mid-western militia compound) ? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/79 "2009-08-31T23:12:29Z")
Whether or not it’s true how Obama got started in politics, I’m very disappointed that a dangerous radical like Bill Ayers has something as mundane as a living room to launch the careers of his Manchurian Candidates in. Shouldn’t it be a lair under a volcano, or something? ---
**Author:** ![x-ray\_vision](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/x-ray_vision/32/351_2.png) [@x-ray\_vision](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/x-ray_vision)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142/80 "2009-08-31T23:20:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > All criticism of Obama has to be based on racism and xenophobia. > [@Lou Pritchett](#): > > You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American Enough said or do you need an explanation? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-scares-former-p-g-vp-lou-pritchett-in-mass-email-what-say-you/508142.md?page=5)