# Obama sees handwriting on the wall

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431>\
**Category:** Politics & Elections\
**Created:** [June 14, 2011, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431 "2011-06-14T14:43:19Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 7\
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**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/21 "2011-07-10T21:48:26Z")

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Nobody wants to pay the mortgage or clean the bathroom either. But the grown ups do it.

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**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/22 "2011-07-10T22:06:11Z")

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> [@CaptMurdock](#):
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> Wants, no.
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> Thinks they are necessary… different story.

There’s no indication they think that, either. Again, Obama has not laid that foundation.

Let’s not forget, when George H. W. Bush had to raise taxes in order to save the banking industry, absolutely no one gave him credit for being a “grown-up” or doing what was “necessary”. They crucified the man for it.

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**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/23 "2011-07-10T22:14:03Z")

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> [@Recovering\_Republican](#):
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> They crucified the man for it.

Clinton got a lot of mileage out of it in his campaign commercials. Led to the Grover Norquist era of fear-based policy.

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**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\
**Post date:** [July 10, 2011, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/24 "2011-07-10T23:12:12Z")

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> [@tnetennba](#):
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> Clinton got a lot of mileage out of it in his campaign commercials. Led to the Grover Norquist era of fear-based policy.

Which I think we can both agree is a bad thing. Wow. Common Ground.

But it goes back to the point. Obama is screwed either way on taxes. If he raises them, he’s the one who raised them. If he doesn’t, the whole debt issue is still out there and we are going to face this problem again in two years.

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**Author:** ![Cyberhwk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7993a0/32.png) [@Cyberhwk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cyberhwk)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/25 "2011-07-11T02:23:45Z")

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> [@Recovering\_Republican](#):
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> Nobody wants tax increases.

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> Voters back 69 - 28 percent raising taxes on households earning $250,000 or more.

[Quinnipac Poll 5/4](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1595)

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**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/26 "2011-07-11T09:44:55Z")

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> [@Cyberhwk](#):
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> [Quinnipac Poll 5/4](http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1595)

Ask Bush or Clinton how popular tax increases were when they did them.

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**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\
**Post date:** [July 11, 2011, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sees-handwriting-on-the-wall/585431/27 "2011-07-11T11:19:59Z")

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Since the original thread topic has been left behind, I’m closing this. The same discussion is taking place in other threads.

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