# Obama Sets Up Commission To "Fight" The Deficit! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566 "2010-04-27T21:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/101 "2010-04-28T23:33:43Z")
> [@Voyager](#): > > Why is it that Republicans want another Depression They want Obama to fail so badly, they don’t even care whether it hurts the country. I don’t really need to add to the pile-on, but that OP is really, really fucking moronic. Contemptuously bad, I’d say. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/102 "2010-04-28T23:34:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Yes, you DO need to add them to your original statement, in order for it to be internally consistent. Why? Explain this to me. If I’m so bad at making a logical argument, then show me how it’s done, oh great master. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/103 "2010-04-28T23:35:19Z")
“The majority of people don’t pay taxes.” Oh, I meant Federal taxes. Oh, except for Federal payroll taxes, I didn’t mean those. That’s what you’re doing here, and it’s just dumb. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/104 "2010-04-28T23:37:42Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > “The majority of people don’t pay taxes.” > > Oh, I meant Federal taxes. > > Oh, except for Federal payroll taxes, I didn’t mean those. > > That’s what you’re doing here, and it’s just dumb. You are wrong. I never said “I meant Federal taxes” and then “Oh, I meant Federal taxes except for Federal payroll taxes.” I very clearly said I meant the US FIT the whole time. Anyone can scroll up and see exactly what I said for themselves, so it’s pretty stupid what you are doing here. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2010, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/105 "2010-04-28T23:59:22Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are wrong. I never said “I meant Federal taxes” and then “Oh, I meant Federal taxes except for Federal payroll taxes.” I very clearly said I meant the US FIT the whole time. So if you described a group as one that “don’t pay any taxes” before making any reference to federal income taxes, we should just assume that you _meant_ federal income taxes, by default? Oh, Randy, Randy, Randy… you’re such a cute little liar… ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/106 "2010-04-29T00:05:16Z")
Why do you guys bother with this angry little child? Seriously. “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.” Robert A. Heinlein ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/107 "2010-04-29T00:08:43Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are wrong. I never said “I meant Federal taxes” and then “Oh, I meant Federal taxes except for Federal payroll taxes.” I very clearly said I meant the US FIT the whole time. > > Anyone can scroll up and see exactly what I said for themselves, so it’s pretty stupid what you are doing here. I’ll save them the trouble, and scroll up for them… > [@](#): > > Rand Rover > Meh. All the idiots on the SDMB who don’t pay any taxes are somehow totally fine with an increase in taxes. Who’d a thunk it? > [@](#): > > Drain Bead > Dear RR, > > Our tax bill was $30,000 this year, combining state and federal. > [@](#): > > Wesley Clark > If you ignore all taxes except the federal income tax (which makes up about 30% of total tax receipts), then yes about 50% of people don’t pay ‘taxes’. But only if you choose to ignore all taxes except the federal income tax. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by Diogenes the Cynic > Everyone here pays taxes, But hang on folks, here comes the goalpost move in response to **Diogenes the Cynic** : > [@](#): > > Rand Rover > Wrong (at least with respect to US FIT). Almost half of all Americans pay no US FIT, and I would imagine that that group is over-represented on the SDMB. Nice! NOW you claim that you MEANT federal taxes ONLY in your first idiotic post . ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/108 "2010-04-29T00:10:44Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Why do you guys bother with this angry little child? Seriously. > > “Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig.” > Robert A. Heinlein I had some spare time, and the pig gets all funny when it’s annoyed, what with all the little grunting and squealing noises. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/109 "2010-04-29T00:11:06Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You are wrong. I never said “I meant Federal taxes” and then “Oh, I meant Federal taxes except for Federal payroll taxes.” I very clearly said I meant the US FIT the whole time. > > Anyone can scroll up and see exactly what I said for themselves, so it’s pretty stupid what you are doing here. OK. Let’s go back to your first post. > [@Rand Rover](#): > > Meh. All the idiots on the SDMB who don’t pay any taxes are somehow totally fine with an increase in taxes. Who’d a thunk it? I don’t see anything in that that says the FIT, do you? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/110 "2010-04-29T00:14:28Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > If you want to pay more in taxes, you are perfectly free to do so. Your willingness to do so doesn’t mean that it’s OK for the government to force the unwilling to do so. No, the nature of state sovereignty means it’s OK for the government to force the unwilling to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/111 "2010-04-29T00:14:55Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I was just pointing out that payroll taxes are like income taxes. I don’t need to “add them in” to my original statement–I don’t know what you are getting at there (other than to take attention away from the fact that your statement that federal income tax does not make up the majority of federal revenues is wrong, as I showed). As far as I can tell, you stated that most people don’t pay taxes. What, do you consider state income taxes, alcohol taxes, cigarette taxes, state and local sales tax, local income tax, etc., etc., etc., to not be taxes? Question mark? And, actually, if we accept - and I guess I see no reason why we shouldn’t - that 40-odd-% of federal income tax filers pay no federal income tax, that’s most? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/112 "2010-04-29T00:16:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > We shall see… Of course, we’ll still to give all of **RR’s** money to the diarrheac homeless, just for control in the experiment. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/113 "2010-04-29T00:18:54Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > They want Obama to fail so badly, they don’t even care whether it hurts the country. [Rush Limbaugh made that clear enough.](http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/20/limbaugh-obama-fail/) ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/114 "2010-04-29T00:19:20Z")
Way to focus on the important issues, guys. I did originally say “taxes” in my first post when I meant “U.S. federal income taxes.” I quickly corrected that as soon as my egregious oversight came to my attention. I know that you liberal douche idiots pride yourself on your precision of thinking and speech (as we can see by Simplico’s masterful understanding of all things tax and Euphonious Polemic’s superb arguing skills), so please accept my humble apology. To get back to the substance, we are still waiting for DtC’s cite for the assertion that Obama has cut my taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/115 "2010-04-29T00:22:31Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > As far as I can tell, you stated that most people don’t pay taxes. You can’t tell very damn far, buddy. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/116 "2010-04-29T00:26:31Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Way to focus on the important issues, guys. I did originally say “taxes” in my first post when I meant “U.S. federal income taxes.” I quickly corrected that as soon as my egregious oversight came to my attention. > . No you didn’t. You corrected it after it was pointed out by multiple posters that your original statement was inoperative. You then did not issue a correction, but rather simply tried to slip FIT in there like nobody would notice. Then you claimed > [@](#): > > I very clearly said I meant the US FIT the whole time. . What an egregious tool. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/117 "2010-04-29T00:28:46Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Way to focus on the important issues, guys. Taxes are not an important issue? You argue about taxes, and someone proving that you are wrong in your statement about taxes makes taxes suddenly unimportant? You’re a fucking idiot. Honestly, you are. > [@](#): > > To get back to the substance, we are still waiting for DtC’s cite for the assertion that Obama has cut my taxes. If you make more that $200,000 or $250,000 (opinons vary), President Obama has never promised to cut your taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/118 "2010-04-29T00:29:29Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Of course, we’ll still to give all of **RR’s** money to the diarrheac homeless, just for control in the experiment. Actually, as a serious question, what would be a good metric to judge success or failure of the reform, say, five years from now? ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/119 "2010-04-29T00:36:43Z")
I could say that most Jewish people don’t eat meat, then clarify to say I only meant pork, but it wouldn’t make my initial statement any more accurate as a measure of their culinary habits. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/120 "2010-04-29T00:37:12Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > You can’t tell very damn far, buddy. Heh, you modified taxes to Federal Income Taxes, and you’re still wrong. Who’s the “buddy” around here precisely? Asshole. I certainly pay taxes, federal income tax included, and I fully support a federal income tax increase, as it is necessary to reduce the Bush inspired federal deficit, and as it is necessary to return us to the glorious balanced budget days of Bill Clinton. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566.md?page=7)