# Obama Sets Up Commission To "Fight" The Deficit! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 27, 2010, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566 "2010-04-27T21:43:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/121 "2010-04-29T01:09:06Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > No you didn’t. You corrected it after it was pointed out by multiple posters that your original statement was inoperative. You then did not issue a correction, but rather simply tried to slip FIT in there like nobody would notice. Then you claimed . > > What an egregious tool. My original statement was “inoperative”? The only inoperative thing around here is that gray matter holding your ears apart. I did say “taxes,” but it was clearly in the context of (i) a US federal government budget deficit and (ii) taxes that people discussing the matter could vote on, so it was clear I meant US federal income taxes. You are focusing on this very narrow semantic issue because you have nothing to offer to the debate (or to life in general). ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/122 "2010-04-29T01:10:26Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Heh, you modified taxes to Federal Income Taxes, and you’re still wrong. Who’s the “buddy” around here precisely? Asshole. > > I certainly pay taxes, federal income tax included, and I fully support a federal income tax increase, as it is necessary to reduce the Bush inspired federal deficit, and as it is necessary to return us to the glorious balanced budget days of Bill Clinton. I didn’t modify anything, I only clarified. And, again, the fact that you are fine paying more in taxes doesn’t mean it’s beneficial for society as a whole for the government to force me to pay more in taxes. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/123 "2010-04-29T01:13:43Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Actually, as a serious question, what would be a good metric to judge success or failure of the reform, say, five years from now? Whether or not certain trolls are still apoplectic? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/124 "2010-04-29T01:17:09Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I didn’t modify anything, I only clarified. You stated that most people don’t pay taxes. Then, at some point - can’t be bothered - you “clarified” that to most people don’t pay federal income tax. Both of those statements are, in fact, factually incorrect. > [@](#): > > … the fact that you are fine paying more in taxes doesn’t mean it’s beneficial for society as a whole for the government to force me to pay more in taxes. It is not beneficial for society as a whole to increase taxes in order to reduce the national debt and the budget deficit? Really? ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/125 "2010-04-29T01:56:36Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > You stated that most people don’t pay taxes. Then, at some point - can’t be bothered - you “clarified” that to most people don’t pay federal income tax. Both of those statements are, in fact, factually incorrect. You are wrong on both counts–I never said either of those things. Christ, it’s only a 3-page thread, and already you can’t read what I said. > [@](#): > > It is not beneficial for society as a whole to increase taxes in order to reduce the national debt and the budget deficit? Really? That’s right. We need to stop spending so much. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/126 "2010-04-29T01:59:57Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > That’s right. We need to stop spending so much. That maxim applied to the private sector would bring on a depression. And that maxim applied to the public sector would do the same. Keynes was not omniscient, but neither was he wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/127 "2010-04-29T02:06:24Z")
“Your honor, when I said my client had paid his taxes in full, I very clearly meant the US FIT the whole time. And I meant for the year 1997 only. And by “paid”, I meant he intended to pay them soon. You must listen to what I mean, not what I say.” If you ever actually do get to be a lawyer guy, please don’t pull the same shit at work that you do here. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/128 "2010-04-29T02:16:42Z")
[It never ends . . .](http://www.gocomics.com/tomtoles/2010/03/15/) ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/129 "2010-04-29T02:39:30Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Glad it wasn’t just me. For a minute there I thought someone was feeding \*\*MWAG \*\*poisoned German bananas! Band Name! ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/130 "2010-04-29T12:52:04Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > Please go upstairs and ask your mother to explain it to you. I went upstairs and found your mom rooting through my old clothes. She said that she was ashamed her son made so much money, yet tells her if she wanted any of it, she should go out and get a damn job for herself because Ayn Rand brainwashed him into thinking that giving money away hurts society. Then she explained that you are indeed a retard who has a pathological inability to admit to any mistake. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/131 "2010-04-29T13:39:49Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > … To get back to the substance, we are still waiting for DtC’s cite for the assertion that Obama has cut my taxes. Wait, not, > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > … douchebag. > > > [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > > > … Cite? :smack: That’ll save **DtC** a whole lot of time then. CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/132 "2010-04-29T16:57:36Z")
Regarding the middle-class tax cut issue, can we get a volunteer to give up a summary of his or her just-filed return with the promise to post the corresponding information from next April’s return ? Even a percentage might be useful: taxes paid / taxable income. ---
**Author:** ![Algorithm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/algorithm/32/12204_2.png) [@Algorithm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algorithm)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/133 "2010-04-29T17:35:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Regarding the middle-class tax cut issue, can we get a volunteer to give up a summary of his or her just-filed return with the promise to post the corresponding information from next April’s return ? Even a percentage might be useful: taxes paid / taxable income. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 established the Making Work Pay tax credit, which is a $400 tax credit for individuals who worked and did not receive an economic recovery payment in 2009 and had adjusted gross income up to $75,000. Those who earned between $75k and $95k received a tax credit equal to $400 less 2% the amount of their AGI that exceeded $75k. So, at the very least, there was a $400 tax credit for middle class workers in 2009 that did not exist in 2008. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/134 "2010-04-29T17:46:53Z")
How is it that **Starving Artist** has avoided this stupidity cage match between RR and ralph? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/135 "2010-04-29T18:44:51Z")
I heard he’s renovating his bridge. takes all his time these days. ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2010, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/136 "2010-04-29T19:40:28Z")
> [@Knorf](#): > > They want Obama to fail so badly, they don’t even care whether it hurts the country. Much as I agree with you, they were being equally idiotic when Bush was still in office and it was Paulson’s bailout. They seem to hate economic sanity from either party - the far right Republicans, that is, not the five or six centrists. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/137 "2010-04-30T03:12:10Z")
Still no cite from DtC. Raise your hand if you are surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/138 "2010-04-30T03:17:49Z")
I don’t trust that Rover’s taxes have dropped simply because I don’t trust that he can add correctly and thus the primary measurements (i.e. comparing his current tax return to next year’s) are suspect. ---
**Author:** ![Rand\_Rover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/db5fbb/32.png) [@Rand\_Rover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rand_Rover)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/139 "2010-04-30T03:23:04Z")
I don’t do my own taxes. So nyah. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2010, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566/140 "2010-04-30T03:26:21Z")
> [@Rand\_Rover](#): > > I don’t do my own taxes. So nyah. In that case, I don’t trust your accountant because it’s entirely possible he’s gauged what a dumbass you are and is robbing you blind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-sets-up-commission-to-fight-the-deficit/537566.md?page=8)