# Obama Stands With Mexican Prez, Against Az Law **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050 "2010-05-19T20:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/201 "2010-05-20T18:22:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Could not agree more. And yet, you continue to defend the Arizona law, even though you _admit_ that it’s pointless. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/202 "2010-05-20T18:53:03Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > And yet, you continue to defend the Arizona law, even though you _admit_ that it’s pointless. 😕 As soon as someone points out that his taxes are affected by this I expect that will change. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/203 "2010-05-20T19:43:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > But they’re ahead of you. Because you still haven’t Got It from 2008. > > They had an election. You guys lost. No tricks. No cheating. The majority of Americans looked your platform over and said no to it. > > “But…but…but…” you cry. “This is Our country. We’re the Real America. How did those people get elected? There must have been some kind of mistake… and we’ve got to fix it!!!” And I know you mean this, because you said the same thing about your side’s platform in 2006, after the 2004 election. I remember it like it was yesterday. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/204 "2010-05-20T19:57:21Z")
> [@campp](#): > > Well, nothing so far. But we can all start checking for numbers after July 29, 2010. That’s when the new law _begins_. By “The Law”, I was meaning to say Law Enforcement, and whatever laws were supposedly already on the books. You think this new law will mean anything to gangs that are/were already robbing, stealing, kidnapping, killing, other bad things? Don’t think so. So with all the bad stuff that’s already been happening, you really think this new law will mean a damn thing? Guess again. It will be “directed” at those who are really the least of your problems. Mark my words. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/205 "2010-05-20T20:34:19Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > Don’t think so. So with all the bad stuff that’s already been happening, you really think this new law will mean a damn thing? Guess again. It will be “directed” at those who are really the least of your problems. Mark my words. Yes, it seems odd to protect ranchers who get murdered by drug-runners, not by getting out there where the real action is, but (for example) harrassing Hispanic-looking people in hardware-store car parks, who are trying to pick up some work. Do those guys spend half their time doing part-time construction work, and half their time transporting drugs and killing ranchers? Or is it just that all Mexicans look the same to law enforcement? ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/206 "2010-05-20T20:38:11Z")
My point exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/207 "2010-05-20T20:55:22Z")
I, for one, am delighted that all Mexicans look alike. Makes it much easier to hate/discriminate against them. As a matter of fact, the Mexican lady who lives next door agrees. She came here legally and so now regards herself as white. I mean, I think she does. She resents Mexican illegals and thinks they should be sent back. She’s also furious about talk that they may get amnesty. So that makes her white (and conservative)? Right? Guys? ETA: [Good post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12476649&postcount=146), **Zeriel**. I don’t agree completely with some of your solutions but I do think you’re on the right track. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/208 "2010-05-20T21:03:12Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > As a matter of fact, the Mexican lady who lives next door agrees. Admit it **Starkers** ; there is no Mexican lady, is there…? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/209 "2010-05-20T21:13:28Z")
Yes, there is a Mexican lady. She’s a very hard worker and in charge of somewhere around ten McDonald’s restaurants which are owned by another legal Mexican immigrant in his sixties who started out as a dishwasher in his youth and now owns thirty stores. Now, having said that I’ll make you the same offer that I made to the last guy who challenged my honesty: cough up enough dough to make it worthwhile to bring you into my personal life ($30,000 should do it ;)), sign an agreement to keep my personal details private, and I’ll bring you here and introduce you to her. I anticipate crickets… ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/210 "2010-05-20T21:34:12Z")
> [@](#): > > And I know you mean this, because you said the same thing about your side’s platform in 2006, after the 2004 election. I remember it like it was yesterday. I’m not sure exactly what I supposedly said here. Did I say that Bush was not part of Real America and we needed to take back our country? Or is the accusation that I didn’t say that? Or that I didn’t not say it? I’m a little confused on this one. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/211 "2010-05-20T21:45:57Z")
> [@](#): > > Yes, there is a Mexican lady. She’s a very hard worker and in charge of somewhere around ten McDonald’s restaurants which are owned by another legal Mexican immigrant in his sixties who started out as a dishwasher in his youth and now owns thirty stores. I think it is a little unusual that you happen to know two people who legally migrated to the United States from from Mexico. Because it’s essentially impossible for the average Mexican to immigrate legally to the United States. The big exception is for somebody who’s related to an American citizen (which the average Mexican is not). Are your Mexican friends married to Americans perhaps? Again the average Mexican is not married to an American. I suppose it’s possible that your friends got in under some special exemption like being an astronaut or a Nobel prize-winner or Salma Hayek. But I don’t imagine these people are managing McDonalds. So I am curious about the details. But, admittedly, I’m not curious enough to pay you thirty thousand dollars. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/212 "2010-05-20T21:50:08Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I suppose it’s possible that your friends got in under some special exemption like being an astronaut or a Nobel prize-winner or Salma Hayek. But I don’t imagine these people are managing McDonalds. They could be beneficiaries of the Reagan-era amnesty. Unless he married a citizen, I’m having a hard time figuring out how else a “legal Mexican immigrant in his sixties who started out as a dishwasher” could have gotten here. If that’s the case, of course, then he came here as an illegal immigrant. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2010, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/213 "2010-05-20T23:19:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I anticipate crickets… But you’ll settle for [raspberries](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blowing_a_raspberry). ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/214 "2010-05-21T01:00:50Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think it is a little unusual that you happen to know two people who legally migrated to the United States from from Mexico. Because it’s essentially impossible for the average Mexican to immigrate legally to the United States. > > The big exception is for somebody who’s related to an American citizen (which the average Mexican is not). Are your Mexican friends married to Americans perhaps? Again the average Mexican is not married to an American. > > I suppose it’s possible that your friends got in under some special exemption like being an astronaut or a Nobel prize-winner or Salma Hayek. But I don’t imagine these people are managing McDonalds. > > So I am curious about the details. But, admittedly, I’m not curious enough to pay you thirty thousand dollars. I can add my dad to the list. Granted, he was not Mexican, but Salvadoran. He came here legally. And if he were Salma Hayek, I would have noticed. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/215 "2010-05-21T02:44:44Z")
Sure, but the average Mexican is not Salvadoran. There are countries where it’s possible to apply for legal permission to immigrate to the United States. But there’s no way for the average Mexican to do so. ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/216 "2010-05-21T03:10:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I can add my dad to the list. > > Granted, he was not Mexican, but Salvadoran. He came here legally. > > And if he were Salma Hayek, I would have noticed. Did he enter as a political refugee? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/217 "2010-05-21T05:00:56Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > The border is 1900 miles long. How many billions of dollars per year are you willing to spend to accomplish this, and will you raise taxes to pay for it? Or are you just going to kick yet another can down the road to your grandchildren?Most of them have been deported at least once already. They are willing to risk their lives crossing a broiling desert to get back here; I seriously doubt there is anything you can threaten them with that will deter them from trying again, and again, and again. We first have to go after the scumbags who are employing them. Make it a 3rd degree felony for anyone who employs an illegal alien. But that won’t stop the illegals who are coming over to engage in drug running and other illegal activates. Anyone adult caught here illegally should be also be criminally charged and sentenced to a long term in the slammer. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/218 "2010-05-21T13:27:54Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > We first have to go after the scumbags who are employing them. Make it a 3rd degree felony for anyone who employs an illegal alien. Well, it makes my head hurt to admit, but I agree with you. So far. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > But that won’t stop the illegals who are coming over to engage in drug running and other illegal activates. Anyone adult caught here illegally should be also be criminally charged and sentenced to a long term in the slammer. > > Problem solved. But this simply doesn’t follow. Did each of the (I’ll use the common figure) 12 million ‘illegals’ carry a single joint? Did each one of them shoot a rancher? Really, drug running isn’t done at the retail level. Yes there are surely “a lot” of people involved in drug trafficking. But equally surely they represent only a minuscule percentage of illegal border crossers, the overwhelming number of whom are coming here for economic opportunity. Conflating the two only serves to monger unnecessary fear. So, you’re half right. _Pshew! I feel better now._ ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/219 "2010-05-21T13:31:44Z")
And you know what else? Drug runners who don’t get caught here go back to Mexico, to do it again. So if their mere presence here is what offends you, just leave them alone. “Problem solved”. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/220 "2010-05-21T14:02:20Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Admit it **Starkers** ; there is no Mexican lady, is there…? Hey! He mows her lawn every Tuesday! And cleans up the ashes from the burned cross every Thursday! You apologize RIGHT NOW. -Joe [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050.md?page=12)