# Obama Stands With Mexican Prez, Against Az Law **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 19, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050 "2010-05-19T20:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/21 "2010-05-19T21:09:10Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > As expected, a bunch of posts from people who Don’t Get It. That racism is finding renewed footing and legitimacy in America? Oh, we get it. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/22 "2010-05-19T21:09:14Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > As expected, a bunch of posts from people who Don’t Get It. > > You’re going to be in for a surprise in November, and it ain’t going to be extra marshmallow on your sweet potato casserole. I’m not even expressing an opinion regarding Obama’s comments, or the AZ law. I’m merely pointing out that it’s completely asinine to claim that criticizing a state law you disagree with makes you Un-American. Criticizing laws we dislike is what makes us American in the first place. And yes, if something happens in November that removes Obama from the Presidency I will in fact be surprised. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/23 "2010-05-19T21:09:24Z")
[QUOTE=Hyperelastic] You’re going to be in for a surprise in November, and it ain’t going to be extra marshmallow on your sweet potato casserole. [/QUOTE] OOoooooo! I LOVE surprises! What will it be??? Tell me, tell me! > [@](#): > > As expected, a bunch of posts from people who Don’t Get It. Man…I never get ‘it’. ☹ I guess that means no surprise for me, ehe? -XT ---
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/24 "2010-05-19T21:10:20Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > So, politicians should not express their opinions about any law that has already been passed? That will certainly make political discourse much less noisy. Wasn’t there national legislation passed recently that was subject of the hue and cry of the sundry and many? Reason for protest and bearing arms, and the catalyst for at least 10 proposed lawsuits, all due ot disagreements with its source? Can’t for the life of me remember what it was all about though. ETA: **C3** (and **Jas09** ), if you mirror me one more time . . . . ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/25 "2010-05-19T21:11:01Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > What surprise? If he told you, it wouldn’t be a surprise, now would it? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/26 "2010-05-19T21:11:17Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > As expected, a bunch of posts from people who Don’t Get It. > > You’re going to be in for a surprise in November, and it ain’t going to be extra marshmallow on your sweet potato casserole. Of that I think there is a chance of. But this is a message board, where you have to convince people based on actual logic rather than flamboyant handwaving. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/27 "2010-05-19T21:13:02Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > As expected, a bunch of posts from people who Don’t Get It. Oh yes, I think we do get it. This is a continuation of the Repubs’ [Southern strategy](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy), though this time it’s racism against Hispanics rather than racism against Blacks that’s being exploited. Yes, we’ll see in November if it’s working or not: I’ll concede that I’m afraid that it might work for some people, but I’m hopeful that enough will find it distasteful enough to cause a backlash against the Repubs. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/28 "2010-05-19T21:15:15Z")
> [@descamisado](#): > > ETA: **C3** (and **Jas09** ), if you mirror me one more time . . . . First in for the win! ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/29 "2010-05-19T21:15:55Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > This law would not be necessary if the governor of Arizona would enforce the laws against employing illegal aliens. And this would not be neccessary if the federal government did a better job of enforcing the border against people crossing it illegally and of the other ways people come to to stay here illegally like over staying student and tourist visas etc. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/30 "2010-05-19T21:15:56Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > As expected, a bunch of posts from people who Don’t Get It. > > You’re going to be in for a surprise in November, and it ain’t going to be extra marshmallow on your sweet potato casserole. Ya know…people like you make it really not fun to be a conservative around this place. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/31 "2010-05-19T21:16:08Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Obama promised me a pony! Me too! Wait - we don’t have to share, do we? I don’t like sharing. My pony! ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/32 "2010-05-19T21:17:18Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Criticizing laws we dislike is what makes us American in the first place. No…no, it is not what makes us American. However, I encourage you to express this opinion every chance you get, preferably in the most public forum possible. Write a letter to the editor of your local paper. Make sure you do it in late October. Try to work in how Obama and the Democratic Party believe that being American is fundamentally all about dissent. Do you live in a district with a contested House seat? Cause that would be awesome. ---
**Author:** ![C3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/c3/32/3108_2.png) [@C3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C3)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/33 "2010-05-19T21:17:56Z")
[QUOTE=Mr. Excellent] Me too! Wait - we don’t have to share, do we? I don’t like sharing. My pony! [/QUOTE] Don’t worry, [you can both have a pony](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qb0vquRcys). ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/34 "2010-05-19T21:18:00Z")
> [@Oakminster](#): > > Ya know…people like you make it really not fun to be a conservative around this place. Don’t worry about it, man - I’d be amazed if you were even from the same _planet_ as the OP, let alone the same sort of conservative. But, since you are _a_ conservative - do you know what the November surprise is? Is it a pony or a robot? I hope it’s a robot! ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/35 "2010-05-19T21:18:35Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Me too! > > Wait - we don’t have to share, do we? I don’t like sharing. > > My pony! No sharing is required. I’ll simply cut the pony in two, and you each will be given half of it. \ \ \ \ ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/36 "2010-05-19T21:19:21Z")
Well, at least he didn’t bow to the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/37 "2010-05-19T21:19:37Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Don’t worry about it, man - I’d be amazed if you were even from the same _planet_ as the OP, let alone the same sort of conservative. > > But, since you are _a_ conservative - do you know what the November surprise is? Is it a pony or a robot? I hope it’s a robot! It’s State over Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl…for the second year in a row. GO STATE! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/38 "2010-05-19T21:19:56Z")
> [@Tahssa](#): > > [QUOTE=Fear Itself] > This law would not be necessary if the governor of Arizona would enforce the laws against employing illegal aliens. And this would not be neccessary if the federal government did a better job of enforcing the border against people crossing it illegally and of the other ways people come to to stay here illegally like over staying student and tourist visas etc. [/QUOTE] And we won’t do either one for the same reason; we don’t actually want to hamper illegal immigration; we want them to come here illegally because that makes them easier to exploit. And this isn’t about illegal immigration anyway. It’s about racism. ---
**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/39 "2010-05-19T21:20:47Z")
> [@Mr.Excellent](#): > > Don’t worry about it, man - I’d be amazed if you were even from the same _planet_ as the OP, let alone the same sort of conservative. See, I’m not really even a conservative, and neither are a lot of people who support the AZ law. I’ve voted Democratic all my life, although I couldn’t quite bring myself to pull the lever either way in '08. Further proof that you don’t get it. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050/40 "2010-05-19T21:21:22Z")
> [@Hyperelastic](#): > > No…no, it is not what makes us American. Heh. The founding fathers seem to have disagreed with you - many of them threatened not to ratify the Constitution unless it incorporated a bill of rights, with freedom of speech, religion, and the press front and foremost. That seems to suggest peaceful dissent and debate is a core American value. But I’ll bite - what _does_ make us American? Is it our love of ponies? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-stands-with-mexican-prez-against-az-law/540050.md?page=3)