# Obama steps in it again **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 19, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051 "2009-03-19T18:27:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/81 "2009-03-20T20:51:07Z")
> [@LilShieste](#): > > You forgot your ball… He brought a half-inflated ball to the game so I didn’t want it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/82 "2009-03-20T20:53:41Z")
[Cartman]Screw you guys. I’m going home[/Cartman] Added on edit: Sorry I missed the hidden gem, the PATHETIC attempt to play the martyr, thrown to the Obamunist lions… > [@](#): > > Sorry for riling the Obama fans club. I’m done with the thread. Take a hike. ---
**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/83 "2009-03-20T21:04:01Z")
> [@SteveG1](#): > > The last president I can remember actually changing course and admitting he was wrong, was John F. Kenney after the Bay of Pigs fiasco. Most people thought better of him for it. I remember Clinton admitting that trying to get state employees to enforce a federal gun law was a dumb misfire. Also I remeber a press conference where he admitted a mistake with Monica Lewinsky. Reagan took responsibility for some marine deaths overseas - don’t remember the details. Carter took the blame for the failure\*infinity attempted rescue of the hostages. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/84 "2009-03-20T21:24:36Z")
Not to get off track here, but from the link: > [@](#): > > Under current policy, veterans are responsible for health care costs that are unrelated to their military service. Exceptions in some cases can be made for veterans without private insurance or who are 100 percent disabled. What does that mean? My husband is a combat vet and the VA approved non-combat care for him. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/85 "2009-03-20T21:31:44Z")
> [@steveg1](#): > > [cartman]screw you guys. I’m going home[/cartman] > > added on edit: > > Sorry i missed the hidden gem, the pathetic attempt to play the martyr, thrown to the obamunist lions… > > Take a hike. mwahahahahah!!! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2009, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/86 "2009-03-20T23:20:13Z")
Something you’d like to share with the group,\*\* Anduhril\*\*? We’re here to listen, and to _help_! ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/87 "2009-03-21T00:52:57Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Not to get off track here, but from the link: > > What does that mean? My husband is a combat vet and the VA approved non-combat care for him. Unless it was a pre-existing condtion, it’s probably covered. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/88 "2009-03-21T01:09:17Z")
> [@Brad\_the\_Impaler](#): > > Wait unitil June, the fact that he’s got two kids with a black woman will be leaked. And when the kids get the flu, the president will have two ill legitimate children with a black woman. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/89 "2009-03-21T17:50:08Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > It wasn’t a good idea. Nobody is disputing that. > > But what is equally clear is that you will never give credit to anything Obama does right. I don’t see you going out there and starting threads giving props to him for proposing the largest budget increase in VA history. Nor do you give him credit for restoring VA health coverage to half a million veterans who since 2003 were stopped from visiting VA hospitals, reversing a bad idea from the Bush Administration. > > But nobody expects that you will call George Bush immoral for preventing hundreds of thousands of veterans from even enrolling in the VA health care system. > > That’s why nobody cares about whether anything you say has any truth to it. You’re not credible on any political issue. Thanks for the laugh. No, Bush was not correct in making the cuts. But Bush’s actions are not the point of my post; Obama’s actions in one specific area are. I pointed out that those actions were immoral and unethical; why didn’t anyone else? Did no one else care, or was it just a matter of “Oh, well, oopsie…he made a mistake. At least he’s not George Bush, so it’s all good.”? ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/90 "2009-03-21T17:55:50Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Thanks for the laugh. > > No, Bush was not correct in making the cuts. But Bush’s actions are not the point of my post; Obama’s actions in one specific area are. I pointed out that those actions were immoral and unethical; why didn’t anyone else? Did no one else care, or was it just a matter of “Oh, well, oopsie…he made a mistake. At least he’s not George Bush, so it’s all good.”? Of course, because\*\* Obama changed his mind \*\*when good advice appeared. There was no luck with George, he allowed all his staff to mislead him and on top of that **Bush and others like you did not care**. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/91 "2009-03-21T18:02:21Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Of course, because\*\* Obama changed his mind \*\*when good advice appeared. > > There was no luck with George, he allowed all his staff to mislead him and on top of that **Bush and others like you did not care**. Please post proof that I didn’t care. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/92 "2009-03-21T18:50:40Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > Please post proof that I didn’t care. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. Your sorry efforts here and in the past are evidence enough for me, Maybe you were mildly annoyed by Dubya for ignoring good advice regarding [Weapons of mass destruction](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=363325&highlight=Bush) and [weapons of mass financial destruction](http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Economics/Buccaneeers_Fantasists.html) but, yes, you are the one that needs to shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/93 "2009-03-21T22:03:03Z")
> [@Anduril](#): > > I agree that reversing course when corrected is the right thing to do. I don’t agree that it is especially admirable. The right thing to do is not admirable? I think you’ve made your point. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/94 "2009-03-23T04:21:32Z")
> [@GIGObuster](#): > > Of course, because\*\* Obama changed his mind \*\*when good advice appeared. > > There was no luck with George, he allowed all his staff to mislead him and on top of that **Bush and others like you did not care**. His changing his mind is not the point. The point is that he tried to do it in the first place! And that his doing so was unethical. WHOOSH. Right over your head. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/95 "2009-03-23T04:27:42Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > His changing his mind is not the point. The point is that he tried to do it in the first place! And that his doing so was unethical. > > WHOOSH. Right over your head. I noticed that, my reply took your idiotic point into account, now shut up. BTW, quoting my previous reply again and not dealing with the last one just shows what a dunderhead you are. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/96 "2009-03-23T04:31:04Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > His changing his mind is not the point. The point is that he tried to do it in the first place! And that his doing so was unethical. > > WHOOSH. Right over your head. Bullshit. Obama made a mistake. We admitted that in the other thread. You made this thread after he changed his mind and admitted he had made a mistake. That’s damned rare for any politician to do, especially at this level. ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/97 "2009-03-23T05:12:22Z")
Man, I missed this thread when it was new, so I was sure this was going to be about how Obama sent a [home movie](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Obama+video+iran&start=0&sa=N) to Iran, which everyone in Iran knows is the equivalent to saying “I am a eunich, please invade my country.” ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/98 "2009-03-23T05:23:59Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > Man, I missed this thread when it was new, so I was sure this was going to be about how Obama sent a [home movie](http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Obama+video+iran&start=0&sa=N) to Iran, which everyone in Iran knows is the equivalent to saying “I am a eunich, please invade my country.” I’m not sure about that, the last time we did sent a home movie to a middle east nation we did not like the response and then we beat the crap of that middle east country. Not that I think Obama would invade, but they would be certifiable idiots if they do ignore the olive branch. ---
**Author:** ![Aquila\_Be](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a698b9/32.png) [@Aquila\_Be](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquila_Be)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/99 "2009-03-23T05:45:51Z")
I believe that a really good perspective on this issue might be this balanced item: [Yahoo Newsroom – Lili Ladaga](http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl267) which lists various stumbles made by Bush, Biden, Palin and Reagan. Ladaga’s take on this: > [@](#): > > You’d think with all the practice they get speaking in public that politicians would know better than to say what they’re thinking when they’re thinking it. And when they do, and comments about the Special Olympics come out, it can make you shake your head and think, “Really?” > But in a way, it’s heartening to hear our politicians stumble over words, mangle syntax and make inappropriate jokes. It shows politicians are human, too. Sometimes. You see? It’s heartening. After all, the USA has massive amounts of experience at surviving blithering idiots at the helm, so this particular Obama stumble isn’t really much of a big deal. ---
**Author:** ![flight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbce88/32.png) [@flight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flight)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2009, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051/100 "2009-03-23T18:27:13Z")
Is it just me or has every damn thread that idiot **Clothahump** started turned out to be completely wrong. This is actually a step up for him in that he got some of the basic facts in the case correct. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-steps-in-it-again/490051.md?page=6)