# Obama supports same sex marriage **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [May 9, 2012, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415 "2012-05-09T19:16:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/201 "2012-05-15T08:05:07Z")
> [@Vomuco](#): > > You do have to admire his political will. He knows that he’ll get a lot of heat because of this decision and yet, he made it. Can’t say the same for other world leaders. You’re referring to Biden, I take it? ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/202 "2012-05-15T10:07:01Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > You’re referring to Biden, I take it? Nothing was at stake for Biden. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2012, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/203 "2012-05-15T18:00:20Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Around here the sentiment is either you agree with gay marriage without even a scintilla of a difference between it and straight marriage…including _calling_ it a marriage. Watch how **Jack Batty** gets clubbed over the head in [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=638374) thread when he mentions being “hung-up” on the word “marriage”. I wish you wouldn’t use me as an example in this continuing line of argument. My take on the matter is a little more nuanced than - “those gays are hung up on the word ‘marriage.’” If anything, my stand-point is born of deep cynicism about the institution of marriage as a whole, no matter who wants in. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/204 "2012-05-17T04:55:37Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > I wish you wouldn’t use me as an example in this continuing line of argument. My take on the matter is a little more nuanced than - “those gays are hung up on the word ‘marriage.’” If anything, my stand-point is born of deep cynicism about the institution of marriage as a whole, no matter who wants in. I incorrectly said you were “hung up” on the word marriage. Actually, that is what you were accused of by those who have zero tolerance for any dissent. I didn’t suggest that you have any problem with gay marriage…as you made clear in the linked thread. Nonetheless, you were attacked by those who agree with you for simply seeming to suggest that gay" marriage" by any other name would be the same as straight marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/205 "2012-05-17T05:00:39Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Actually, that is what you were accused of by those who have zero tolerance for any dissent. You don’t seem to understand/agree with a crucial point here. For gay marriage advocates, generally, this is an issue of _basic human rights_. So of course there’s some, er, impatience with dissent; it’s like “dissenting” on interracial marriage or whether Jewish people should be allowed to hold public office. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/206 "2012-05-17T12:23:04Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > Nonetheless, you were attacked by those who agree with you for simply seeming to suggest that gay" marriage" by any other name would be the same as straight marriage. But that’s still framing the argument in your terms. My point in that thread has been made many other times by many other posters on this board and practically none get jumped on. I think I got bopped in that thread through a series of badly worded posts and some gun-jumping. To be clear - I do not suggest that “gay marriage” should be named something else in order to keep it distinct from “straight marriage.” ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/207 "2012-05-17T17:10:40Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > But that’s still framing the argument in your terms. > > My point in that thread has been made many other times by many other posters on this board and practically none get jumped on. I think I got bopped in that thread through a series of badly worded posts and some gun-jumping. > > To be clear - I do not suggest that “gay marriage” should be named something else in order to keep it distinct from “straight marriage.” There is no argument here. I stated that your views are the same as those doing the bopping. Your “badly worded posts” really would have represented nothing more than one toe over the line but you were attacked for it until you finally stated that both straight and gay marriage should be called marriage. Then you were attacked for taking so long to just come out and say as much from the beginning…suggesting that you actually were in favor of different terms and had to be convinced by the clubbing. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/208 "2012-05-17T17:15:25Z")
> [@yorick73](#): > > There is no argument here. I stated that your views are the same as those doing the bopping. Your “badly worded posts” really would have represented nothing more than one toe over the line but you were attacked for it until you finally stated that both straight and gay marriage should be called marriage. Then you were attacked for taking so long to just come out and say as much from the beginning…suggesting that you actually were in favor of different terms and had to be convinced by the clubbing. You know, I’m guessing the guy involved has a pretty good idea of what he experienced. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/209 "2012-05-17T17:16:36Z")
No no. I’ve given my life over to yorick now. It’s just easier that way. By the way, yorick, what am I having for supper tonight? ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/210 "2012-05-17T17:23:23Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > No no. I’ve given my life over to yorick now. It’s just easier that way. > > By the way, yorick, what am I having for supper tonight? Gosh, I hope he picks something tasty yet healthy! ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/211 "2012-05-17T20:27:06Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > You know, I’m guessing the guy involved has a pretty good idea of what he experienced. I’m not talking about what he experienced or how he felt. I was commenting on the reaction by other posters to his “poorly worded” posts. The posts may have been poorly worded but basically in agreement with SSM supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/212 "2012-05-17T20:34:29Z")
That’s all well and good, but I still don’t know what’s on the menu tonight. ---
**Author:** ![yorick73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/b5a626/32.png) [@yorick73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yorick73)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415/213 "2012-05-17T22:43:44Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > That’s all well and good, but I still don’t know what’s on the menu tonight. Fish tacos. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-supports-same-sex-marriage/621415.md?page=10)