# Obama takes Maine **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 11, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103 "2008-02-11T01:14:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/1 "2008-02-11T01:14:22Z")
[Woot!](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UNOUR80&show_article=1) In other news, [Hillary fires her campaign manager](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UNP1683&show_article=1&image=large). It’s looking better for Barack every day. He looks to be a good bet to sweep on tuesday as well. ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/2 "2008-02-11T01:28:58Z")
Yeah - its a new day. Obama all the way! Hillary has the unenviable position of standing in the way of history. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/3 "2008-02-11T01:38:24Z")
FTR, a Hillary presidency or even a nomination would also be history. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/4 "2008-02-11T01:38:56Z")
The best thing this win does for him is put him ahead of Clinton **even when you include the superdelegates that have already endorsed**. [cite](http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/d_delegateScorecard.shtml). Now the MSM can’t keep screwing with the numbers to make it _look_ like Hillary’s ahead when she’s really not. Oh wait, CNN will continue to award her Michigan and Florida, seeing as how she “won” those states. :rolleyes: I can’t wait for him to squash her in Texas and Ohio. I just hope she has the grace to step aside for the good of this country. ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/5 "2008-02-11T01:38:59Z")
Let’s not get cocky folks. March 4 is gonna be a tough fight, and while Obama’s victories this month can only help him, he needs either Ohio or Texas (or better yet, both) if he’s gonna win this thing. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/6 "2008-02-11T01:50:57Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] In other news, [Hillary fires her campaign manager](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8UNP1683&show_article=1&image=large). [/QUOTE] Well, I’m sure that was handled calmly and without rancor. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/7 "2008-02-11T01:58:13Z")
I hope he wins. Just to interject a bit of reality here though…remember the excitement around here that Kerry was going to unseat Bush, ehe? Don’t get carried away…Hillary isn’t out of this thing yet. -XT ---
**Author:** ![newcrasher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b3f665/32.png) [@newcrasher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/newcrasher)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/8 "2008-02-11T02:02:38Z")
[QUOTE=cricetus] FTR, a Hillary presidency or even a nomination would also be history. [/QUOTE] I don’t know, I feel the historical significance of her NOT winning would be greater. She’s had her sights set on the Presidency for a long time, so much so that I think she, and many others took it as a done deal. ---
**Author:** ![cosmosdan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a6a055/32.png) [@cosmosdan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cosmosdan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/9 "2008-02-11T02:06:26Z")
Did I read that the Obama campaign was complaining or irregularities in a recent primary? ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/10 "2008-02-11T02:29:39Z")
[QUOTE=cosmosdan] Did I read that the Obama campaign was complaining or irregularities in a recent primary? [/QUOTE] There’ve been quite a few, especially in states where the Democrats held “open” primaries. Many independent, decline-to-state, and nonpartisan voters were turned away by poll workers who either didn’t know the rules (which is outrageous!) or intended to impede the process (pure speculation). Los Angeles had our own version of the “[butterfly ballot](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/filling-in-the-ovals-on-l_b_85619.html)” debacle, so at the moment [94,000 votes are still being reviewed](http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-me-vote7feb07,0,5576323.story) by the County Registrar, though that number could rise significantly. > [@](#): > > [http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci\_8175116](http://www.dailynews.com/breakingnews/ci_8175116) > > “This could potentially impact hundreds of thousands of ballots,” Alexander said. “There could be legal challenges. Both parties will award delegate votes to their candidates based on results by congressional district and Los Angeles County is home to a dozen congressional districts. So it could impact a lot of delegate votes, depending on how close the results are by congressional district.” > > More than 750,000 non-partisan voters, or a quarter of the state’s registered voters live in Los Angeles County. If a chunk of these voters were disenfranchised, Alexander said it could alter the statewide presidential primary results. Reports of people eligible to vote being turned away in Louisiana, caused the Obama campaign to contact the Secretary of State there, as well. Seems someone switched the registrations of a buttload of people! And instead of being given provisional ballots, they were told they couldn’t vote at all. > [@](#): > > [http://www.american-election.com/2008/02/10/after-widespread-reports-of-voting-irregularities-obama-campaign-submits-urgent-request-for-assistance/](http://www.american-election.com/2008/02/10/after-widespread-reports-of-voting-irregularities-obama-campaign-submits-urgent-request-for-assistance/) > > The Obama campaign submitted an urgent request for assistance to the Secretary of State’s Division of Elections today, after receiving widespread reports from Democrats across Louisiana who reported that they were not allowed to vote because their party affiliation had been switched. Hundreds of Louisiana democrats went to the polls to vote in today’s presidential primary and found that they were now on registration lists as Independent or Unaffiliated voters. I think it’s shameful that poll workers aren’t properly instructed on how to assist ALL voters to cast ballots at their polling places. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/11 "2008-02-11T02:38:23Z")
[QUOTE=cricetus] FTR, a Hillary presidency or even a nomination would also be history. [/QUOTE] For what it is worth, I think the concept of the first woman President would be more impressive if she was not the wife of an ex-President/Presidential candidate. If Pelosi or Olympia Snow was running, I would think it more impressive. I am much more impressed by Thatcher’s achievement than Indira Gandhi. Jim ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/12 "2008-02-11T02:42:47Z")
If this were a bad made-for-TV movie, we’d learn that this goes all the way to the top! ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/13 "2008-02-11T04:21:21Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] The best thing this win does for him is put him ahead of Clinton **even when you include the superdelegates that have already endorsed**. [cite](http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/d_delegateScorecard.shtml). Now the MSM can’t keep screwing with the numbers to make it _look_ like Hillary’s ahead when she’s really not. [/QUOTE] Guess again. ABC is _still_ reporting Hillary up by 20-some-odd delegates. (And speaking of ABC, we’ve been treated to two weeks now of George Stephanopoulos shilling for Hillary.) ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/14 "2008-02-11T04:27:28Z")
[QUOTE=Shayna] The best thing this win does for him is put him ahead of Clinton **even when you include the superdelegates that have already endorsed**. [cite](http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/d_delegateScorecard.shtml). Now the MSM can’t keep screwing with the numbers to make it _look_ like Hillary’s ahead when she’s really not. [/QUOTE] Your own cite contradicts your claim. Including superdelegates, that site says Clinton is ahead. ---
**Author:** ![tnetennba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7993a0/32.png) [@tnetennba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tnetennba)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/15 "2008-02-11T04:32:27Z")
Huh? It says Clinton 1131, Obama 1134. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/16 "2008-02-11T04:34:12Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Your own cite contradicts your claim. Including superdelegates, that site says Clinton is ahead. [/QUOTE] Huh? No it doesn’t. Including Supers, **Shayna’s** link has Obama up 1134 to 1131. [Here’s another cite](http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/10/politics/main3813759.shtml). ---
**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/17 "2008-02-11T04:35:56Z")
[QUOTE=RickJay] Your own cite contradicts your claim. Including superdelegates, that site says Clinton is ahead. [/QUOTE] It’s been showing 1131 Clinton, 1134 Obama for the past few hours. Where do you see Clinton ahead in that cite? It is, however, showing Obama getting 14 delegates in Maine whereas everything else I’ve seen gives him 15, so who knows how accurate any of these results are. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/18 "2008-02-11T04:40:13Z")
[QUOTE=Onomatopoeia] It’s been showing 1131 Clinton, 1134 Obama for the past few hours. Where do you see Clinton ahead in that cite? It is, however, showing Obama getting 14 delegates in Maine whereas everything else I’ve seen gives him 15, so who knows how accurate any of these results are. [/QUOTE] Ah, now the numbers agree. I had looked at the site before and hadn’t refreshed. My mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/19 "2008-02-11T04:42:54Z")
[Meanwhile, over at ABC](http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/delegates?ref=ipb), they are still showing Clinton up, 1127 to 1110. :rolleyes: And [CNN has Clinton up](http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/) 1148 to 1121. :rolleyes: Obama’s gonna have to sweep the Potomac primary before they give him credit. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103/20 "2008-02-11T22:54:43Z")
PBS has it: [Hillary Clinton - 1135 Barack Obama - 1106](http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2008/index.html) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-takes-maine/437103.md?page=2)