# Obama viewed as the Antichrist
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [September 21, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959 "2009-09-21T16:30:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Captain\_Awesome](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Awesome)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/61 "2009-09-22T01:49:55Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> OK, but do they? I’ve sure never heard it, and I’m Catholic and have lived among Catholics my whole life.
In which case you’re better able to answer the question than I am. Nevertheless, it would still be interesting to see a more thorough survey exploring the question in detail, to work out how many people are actually sectionable, so to speak.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/62 "2009-09-22T01:57:14Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> Assuming that’s true then I sincerely doubt they understand it well enough to truly believe it in a literal sense. Making the 7% number even less meaningful.
What do they have to understand? If they can understand _The Omen_ or _Left Behind_, that’s all they need to literally think that Obama is the son of Satan.
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### Author:  [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/63 "2009-09-22T02:02:56Z")
> [@Captain\_Awesome](#):
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> This is Obama not as a Muslim, or an atheist, or born in Kenya, or wanting to kill off your elderly relatives, but the physical embodiment of evil, falsely claiming to be the returned Christ, and the adversary of Jesus.
To be fair, I think it’s more likely that he’s the Antichrist than a Muslim, an atheist, wants to kill off my elderly relatives, or born in Kenya. He can be demonstrably shown to be American born, Christian, and not a grandma-killer, but proving that he’s not the Antichrist is more difficult.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/64 "2009-09-22T02:08:16Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Well, then they’re still lying or impenetrably stupid. Have you not noticed that Obama has taken nearly as much heat from the left as from the right? Millions of Americans were hoping for this century’s FDR, not this century’s Bill Clinton.
Look at the campaign and how people reacted to it. The slogan was “change we can believe in”. Those words were chosen from focus groups to convey a message and people bought into the hype. How many people on this board listed their location as “obama-something”. Did you see the Obama gown worn at the Emmy Awards last night? It’s Madison Avenue hero worship.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/65 "2009-09-22T02:17:47Z")
I think you’re imagining things.
All political slogans are focus grouped.
People around here publicly supported him during the election? That’s the best you can do?
Nobody worships Obama. That’s a fabrication of the right. It’s sour grapes is what it is. The right would kill for a candidate with Obama’s popularity and coolness.
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### Author:  [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/66 "2009-09-22T02:26:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> What do they have to understand? If they can understand _The Omen_ or _Left Behind_, that’s all they need to literally think that Obama is the son of Satan.
You’re really reaching if you are claiming that there is a significant number of people out there who consider themselves Catholic and at the same time believe some halfassed doctrine they read in the Left Behind series. I’d be very surprised if very many Catholics have ever even read those books…this anti-Christ thing isn’t really in our lexicon.
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/67 "2009-09-22T02:28:21Z")
> [@Magiver](#):
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> Look at the campaign … Madison Avenue hero worship.
May The Obama forgive you.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/68 "2009-09-22T02:33:07Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> You’re really reaching if you are claiming that there is a significant number of people out there who consider themselves Catholic and at the same time believe some halfassed doctrine they read in the Left Behind series. I’d be very surprised if very many Catholics have ever even read those books…this anti-Christ thing isn’t really in our lexicon.
All Catholics aren’t aware of that. I had a coworker who was Catholic and a big Left Behind fan. He had no idea that the RCC didn’t endorse that stuff until I told him. The same thing is true of a lot of my Catholic wife’s family (that they didn’t know the Rapture/Antichrist stuff was non-Catholic, not that they’re LB fans. they aren’t THAT kooky).
But I didn’t say anything specifically about Catholics anyway. The majority of people in that poll were not Catholic.
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/69 "2009-09-22T02:39:05Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> I think you’re imagining things.
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> All political slogans are focus grouped.
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> People around here publicly supported him during the election? That’s the best you can do?
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> Nobody worships Obama. That’s a fabrication of the right. It’s sour grapes is what it is. The right would kill for a candidate with Obama’s popularity and coolness.
It’s a Rovian strategy that has been used in the past to some success. Essentially, you look for your opponent’s strength, and then try to use that effectively against them.
Going up against a candidate that is an intelligent policy-maker? He’s a dweeb, a wonk, a nerd, a smart-ass.
Going up against a candidate who was a war hero? He’s a traitor, a coward, he faked his war experience.
Going up against a candidate who inspires people? He’s worshiped by uncritical people, he thinks he’s the Messiah.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/70 "2009-09-22T02:49:18Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> Assuming that’s true then I sincerely doubt they understand it well enough to truly believe it in a literal sense.
People don’t need to **understand** something to **believe** it. Especially if it involves matters religious.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/71 "2009-09-22T06:33:43Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> May The Obama forgive you.
Well I thought I was hearing him speak directly to me until I realized I left the TV on and it was all-Obama Sunday (Emanuel’s version of Fatima?).
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/72 "2009-09-22T15:44:16Z")
Goodness! The President was on TV? That must mean something important!
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### Author:  [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/73 "2009-09-22T15:49:25Z")
So news network covering a presidential address = Obama Worship.
All righty then.
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### Author:  [@Cat\_Fight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Fight)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/74 "2009-09-22T15:51:40Z")
If you believe someone can be the Antichrist, and that they will do a good job of disguising themselves, can you ever be _truly_ sure that anyone _isn’t_ the Antichrist?
Anyway, it makes me laugh to imagine someone answering the poll while on the fence. ‘Is Obama the Antichrist? You know, I’m really not sure. I’m going to look extra closely for signs for the next few weeks and y’all can get back to me.’
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### Author:  [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/75 "2009-09-22T15:55:27Z")
I’m the Antichrist! No, wait, I’m Spartacus…
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/76 "2009-09-22T16:13:49Z")
> [@Sarahfeena](#):
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> You’re really reaching if you are claiming that there is a significant number of people out there who consider themselves Catholic and at the same time believe some halfassed doctrine they read in the Left Behind series. I’d be very surprised if very many Catholics have ever even read those books…this anti-Christ thing isn’t really in our lexicon.
My Catholic aunt is a huge fan of the Left Behind books and spouts ALL of the anti-Obama crap that’s being flung around by the Birthers and the Tenthers and the Teabaggers.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/77 "2009-09-22T16:27:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#):
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> My Catholic aunt is a huge fan of the Left Behind books and spouts ALL of the anti-Obama crap that’s being flung around by the Birthers and the Tenthers and the Teabaggers.
“Tenthers”?
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/78 "2009-09-22T16:38:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> “Tenthers”?
The newest bunch. They believe that the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution forbids the federal government to implement any kind of national healthcare plan.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/79 "2009-09-22T16:45:25Z")
> [@Magiver](#):
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> Look at the campaign and how people reacted to it. The slogan was “change we can believe in”. Those words were chosen from focus groups to convey a message and people bought into the hype. How many people on this board listed their location as “obama-something”. Did you see the Obama gown worn at the Emmy Awards last night? It’s Madison Avenue hero worship.
Explain the George Bush action figure. With flightsuit and codpiece.
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/80 "2009-09-22T16:50:40Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#):
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> Explain the George Bush action figure. With flightsuit and codpiece.
Or the full-size cardboard standup of George W. that the children of Pastor Haggard’s (pre-meth-whore) church prayed over in the documentary _Jesus Camp_.
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