# Obama viewed as the Antichrist
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [September 21, 2009, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959 "2009-09-21T16:30:23Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/81 "2009-09-22T16:54:00Z")
That wasn’t Haggard’s church. He was in the movie, but it wasn’t his church. The Jesus Camp church happens to be located just a couple of miles away from my in-laws’ farm house in rural North Dakota.
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### Author:  [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/82 "2009-09-22T16:55:53Z")
My (Catholic) mom very seriously told me that this Obama = Antichrist stuff is obviously hogwash. Her basis for this is that the Bible clearly says that when the Antichrist comes, he will be very popular with the people, and Obama’s poll ratings have been trending downward lately.
I said, after a lengthy pause, “Mom. I know you did not just try to use logic to prove that Obama is not the Antichrist.”
She said, “Well, I’m just sayin’.”
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### Author:  [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/83 "2009-09-22T17:19:21Z")
Now that’s just nutty. He can’t be both the Antichrist and Hitler at the same time, can he ? And we have already strongly established that he’s the latter, what with being a socialist and all. Case closed, as far as I’m concerned.
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### Author:  [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/84 "2009-09-22T17:30:45Z")
Anyway, everybody knows the Antichrist is Rumanian, not Kenyan!
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### Author:  [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/85 "2009-09-22T17:49:23Z")
> [@jayjay](#):
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> The newest bunch. They believe that the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution forbids the federal government to implement any kind of national healthcare plan.
Wonder how many of those are on Medicare.
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/86 "2009-09-22T18:15:56Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> That wasn’t Haggard’s church. He was in the movie, but it wasn’t his church. The Jesus Camp church happens to be located just a couple of miles away from my in-laws’ farm house in rural North Dakota.
Thanks. I’ve gotten those two scenes conflated.
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### Author:  [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/87 "2009-09-22T18:17:03Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#):
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> Wonder how many of those are on Medicare.
Probably at least as many as were with the town hall mobs.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/88 "2009-09-22T18:34:16Z")
> [@jayjay](#):
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> Or the full-size cardboard standup of George W. that the children of Pastor Haggard’s (pre-meth-whore) church prayed over in the documentary _Jesus Camp_.
That’s evangelical weirdness, not Republican weirdness. I don’t know if this will make a difference, but Jesus Camp lady (not Taggart, but she and the marks attended a Taggert infomercial if memory serves) claimed they were praying for, not to, their President, and would do so regardless of who was in office.
Why they would do this, and whether they were praying for Bush to succeed or fail, is not made clear. But it wasn’t specific to Bush.
When it comes to blind loyalty, though, the person who made [this](http://i406.photobucket.com/albums/pp150/MajiePurple/Christian/praying_for_peace_RD.jpg?t=1225660787) takes the cake. I can’t imagine why the person who created it (I’m avoiding calling him an artist) would call a painting of Bush ‘praying for peace’ seeing as how Bush is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, but people are strange.
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/89 "2009-09-22T19:34:54Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#):
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> That’s evangelical weirdness, not Republican weirdness.
The two are quite close to being the same thing.
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### Author:  [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/90 "2009-09-22T20:01:33Z")
Would like to see if they have a cardboard Obama this year, though. Would be telling.
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### Author:  [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/91 "2009-09-22T21:01:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> **That’s** setting the bar pretty low!
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> Jeez, they’ll let **anybody** be the Antichrist these days!
It’s all just too much like “Momma” from Happy Gilmore.
Everything is the devil…
So, everyone is the antichrist I suppose.
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### Author:  [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/92 "2009-09-22T21:41:06Z")
> [@elucidator](#):
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> I’m the Antichrist! No, wait, I’m Spartacus…
I thought you were an Anarchist.
Or at least a Sex Pistol…
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/93 "2009-09-22T22:03:21Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#):
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> The two are quite close to being the same thing.
No doubt, but these cultists made it clear they were praying at the president of the US, who happened to be Bush the Lesser, but they would have prayed at a cardboard cutout of Kerry as well.
And that’s as far as my defense of Jesus Camp people goes.
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### Author:  [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2009, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/94 "2009-09-22T23:16:16Z")
> [@SteveG1](#):
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> It’s all just too much like “Momma” from Happy Gilmore.
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> Everything is the devil…
> So, everyone is the antichrist I suppose.
You mean “The Waterboy”, Bobby Beaushea!
You be the Debbil!
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### Author:  [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2009, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/95 "2009-09-23T02:28:10Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> The Jesus Camp church happens to be located just a couple of miles away from my in-laws’ farm house in rural North Dakota.
So which is more likely to win my sympathy for them, living in rural North Dakota, Jesus Camp, or being your in-laws?
Some people just like living in Hell; maybe Heaven will be all the better for them. The Jesus Camp was thrust on them by people outside the family. You, on the other hand, were brought into their lives by that very serpent at their bosom, their daughter. 😃
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2009, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/96 "2009-09-23T02:44:33Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#):
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> Explain the George Bush action figure. With flightsuit and codpiece.
[What’s to explain?](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001O1T9SI/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=165793011&s=toys-and-games). If you want to base hero worship on collector items then Obama wins that argument hands down.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2009, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/97 "2009-09-23T02:56:56Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#):
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> So news network covering a presidential address = Obama Worship.
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> All righty then.
It wasn’t a presidential address. It was media saturation coordinated by the White House. That’s not news it’s free publicity. So from a network perspective, yes, it was Obama worship.
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### Author:  [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2009, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/98 "2009-09-23T03:48:52Z")
[quote=“Magiver, post:96, topic:510959”]
[What’s to explain?](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001O1T9SI/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=165793011&s=toys-and-games).
Why it exists, and if it’s not hero worship, what it is. Or why the awful “Praying for Peace” isn’t hero worship. I don’t think they are, I think of Bush supporters as apologists and fools, but not worshippers. Their creators are cheering for their side is all, though I can’t imagine why. I imagine you do see these tasteless memorabilia of a darker time as worship, since you seem to set the bar for what constitutes worship pretty low. If you don’t, what’s different, and if you do, why is Obama worship (as defined by you) any less acceptable?
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> It wasn’t a presidential address. It was media saturation coordinated by the White House. That’s not news it’s free publicity. So from a network perspective, yes, it was Obama worship.
I suppose, if you change the meanings of words such that “worship” means “to air a broadcast”. But what if it really were a presidential address: what would be different? No, I see no worship here. I see a popular president and a lot of people whining because he’s not a Republican. Personally I think it’s nice that the most powerful country on the planet is no longer being run by such vile men as made up the Bush Administration, and it seems a lot of Americans share that sentiment.
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### Author:  [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/99 "2009-09-23T04:17:20Z")
[quote=“The\_Tooth, post:98, topic:510959”]
> [@Magiver](#):
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> [What’s to explain?](http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B001O1T9SI/ref=dp_image_z_0?ie=UTF8&n=165793011&s=toys-and-games).
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> Why it exists, and if it’s not hero worship, what it is.
I dunno, They’re figures of famous people. People collect all kinds of goofy shit. To the extent it’s collected might be an indication.
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### Author:  [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)
#### Post date: [September 23, 2009, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-viewed-as-the-antichrist/510959/100 "2009-09-23T06:24:46Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#):
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> No doubt, but these cultists made it clear they were praying at the president of the US, who happened to be Bush the Lesser, but they would have prayed at a cardboard cutout of Kerry as well.
I don’t believe that for a moment. Kerry was a Democrat, and therefore a Spawn of Satan as far as most of the evangelicals are concerned.
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