# Obama vs. Clinton--huge difference in hatred for their presidencies? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 24, 2010, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871 "2010-07-24T20:12:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/21 "2010-07-24T22:12:55Z")
The Starr commission investigated every aspect of Clinton’s life. The repubs controlled the house and allowed him free reign to check out any thing he could dream up. If they take the house next year, they would probably try to do it again. Obama would have his whole life under scrutiny. The repubs don’t play nice. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_Stimulus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Digital\_Stimulus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_Stimulus)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/22 "2010-07-24T22:22:30Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Do you have cites for these accusations against Obama? I follow the conversations on the right, and I’ve never heard of most of them. Well, Tom Tancredo is “suggesting” [impeachment](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tom-tancredo-impeach-obama-fox-news-thats-ridiculous-video.php). Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/23 "2010-07-24T22:24:31Z")
Mostly the difference I see at this point is that Clinton was hated by the Republicans and the Right in general. President Obama is catching it from a broader spectrum with as much coming from the far Left (who thought they truly were electing a Socialist) and the Hillary crowd/supporters (for stealing the primaries) as from the Republicans and the usual gang of suspects. Had Hillary been elected, we would have seen the “status quo” of hate but President Obama has been a new experience in who the POTUS can piss off and how. All bets are off though if he gets a second term. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/24 "2010-07-24T22:58:26Z")
> [@Digital\_Stimulus](#): > > Well, Tom Tancredo is “suggesting” [impeachment](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/tom-tancredo-impeach-obama-fox-news-thats-ridiculous-video.php). Does that count? Not if even Fox calls the idea “ridiculous”. He’s a private citizen now, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/25 "2010-07-24T23:07:03Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I have seen only two cartoons even hinting that Obama (either one)=any kind of ape. > And of course, for the sock monkey. > > Compared to HOW MANY I saw of W=Chimp. Well, there’s the bigoted tea party poster of Obama as an African tribal guy. [Example, distributed by founder of anti-reform group Doctors For Patient Freedom](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/conservative_activist_forwards_racist_pic_showing.php) (he apologized later). The W=Chimp thing got less play than I’d expect. During questioning, W’s face would repeatedly contort itself into an unfortunate puzzled chimp-like expression. I didn’t really go in for such humor though, as I know that the camera can capture any number of expressions in transition. Even if W did this a lot, so what? The real politician who was nailed by this practice was McCain: there’s a probably-photoshopped pic of him in a state of rage – it was posted on a lot lefty and even righty blogs. I tried to track down the provenance of that shot on these boards, but was unsuccessful. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [July 24, 2010, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/26 "2010-07-24T23:10:05Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > I have seen only two cartoons even hinting that Obama (either one)=any kind of ape. Do a Google image search on “Michelle Obama.” ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/27 "2010-07-25T00:05:56Z")
The chimp thing for Bush wasn’t racial, and the right wing “ape” meme is typically against Michelle Obama, not Barack. Serioulsy. read any comment section or right wing message board on the subject of the First Lady, and it’s dominated by demeaning comments about her looks. You should see what the freepers said about Malia when she wore a shirt with a peace sign on it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/28 "2010-07-25T00:46:51Z")
There is no doubt that a minority, although not an insignificant one, of Americans are going to oppose a black president. We saw that in the Democratic party during the primary, and there are almost certainly more racists in among the Republicans. But I can’t imagine that those racist Republicans would be any more sanguine about a white president of the opposing party. Maybe they’ be less vocal, but it’s hard to say. Still, the right would be going ape-shit about any “Demoncrat” in the oval office. How to measure that vs the ape-shitedness directed at Clinton is an impossible task. The media has gone thru a revolution in the last 10 years, and people are connected in ways that simply didn’t exist in the 90s (or were only just beginning to exist). ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/29 "2010-07-25T02:18:43Z")
Does one need a necessarily “bad” reason to dislike Hillary, or anyone else, for that matter. I don’t like the _menshevik_, three-legged, “business friendly”, Blue Ball Dead Dog Democrat “centrist” politics she and Bill embody. But I still kinda like him and cannot stand her. “I do not like thee, Dr. Fell”… Back when I was dead solid sure that Obama couldn’t possibly pull this trick off, I was prepared to vote for Hillary, if it came to that. But I don’t like her, nosir, not one little bit. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2010, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871/30 "2010-07-25T02:29:38Z")
Hillary is one of those politicians whom I can’t abide during the campaign, but who ends up being not so bad once in office. It would not have been easy for me to vote for her, but given the choice of McCain/Palin, I think I could have found a way… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-clinton-huge-difference-in-hatred-for-their-presidencies/547871.md?page=1)