# Obama vs. Fox **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 20, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497 "2009-10-20T16:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/341 "2009-10-24T12:28:00Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m glad you guys brought this up. I’m emailing Rush and Fox as we speak. 😉 Nice try, but don’t expect your email to do anything. It’s ultimately about viewership and listeners (not principles), and healthcare just isn’t as sexy as this new diversion. A White House that attacks them in public? That’s hot! Fox loves it, the viewers love it, the pundits love talking about it…Hannity even has “Not White House approved” in the corner of his screen. Once the fringers have tasted this juicy piece of red meat, there’s no way they’ll want to go back to the ground beef of healthcare. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/342 "2009-10-24T13:20:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You can relax, though. He’ll send more troops (which will be the wrong decision – he should leave altogther, but he won’t). Not that the right wing will give him any credit for it. Not giving him credit for making the wrong decision exactly sums up what the far Left objects to in Fox’s coverage of Obama. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![flonks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3ab097/32.png) [@flonks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flonks)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/343 "2009-10-24T13:32:11Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Not giving him credit for making the wrong decision exactly sums up what the far Left objects to in Fox’s coverage of Obama. > > Regards, > Shodan No — Not giving him credit (the right) for something the right wants, but the left does not. This is a major difference and you should know it. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/344 "2009-10-24T14:24:54Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > You don’t understand! The more hurt you guys are, the less screwed us guys are! 🆒 A nigh but perfect summation of the right wing’s view on politics in America. Gosh, I wonder why you guys get called divisive. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/345 "2009-10-24T14:49:38Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > The loons had been sabotaging the health care reform dialogue for too long, but that now that the attention is on the WH, like I said before, the adults can finally have a mature conversation about actual logistics of reform. Who exactly are “the adults?” If you mean congress, Obama doesn’t need anyone distracted to do that; he invites them to his office and they talk. If you mean the people … has there been some new proposal or initiative advanced in the last week that I missed? It’d be far more logically a strategy to get people to _stop_ talking about healthcare while Congress negotiates behind the scenes. [This](http://senseofevents.blogspot.com/2009/10/attack-on-fox-news-right-out-of-alinsky.html) is actually the best explanation of this strategy I’ve seen. Leaving aside the Alinsky stuff, it boils down to this: the real goal is to keep quarantined whatever embarrassing news stories Fox digs up. As I noted earlier, AFAIK nobody but Fox or other partisan media has ever broken a story making Obama look bad. The other networks and newspapers only picked up on things like Wright and ACORN and all that after they’d been on Fox for a week. The admin can’t really stop Fox from saying what they want to, but they figured they could try to keep what’s said on Fox confined there; so that, for example, the next time a Van Jones flap is uncovered, CNN never picks it up. It’s pretty clever, and it seems to fit with what Dunn said of their campaign media strategy. At a minimum, it gives viewers something to think about when Fox breaks the next story. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/346 "2009-10-24T15:08:29Z")
What does ACORN have to do with Obama? Fox hasn’t broken any stories making Obama look bad either. There aren’t any stories that make Obama look bad. If there were, everybody would report them. The items you listed are all bullshit Fox smears, not news stories, and none of them made Obama look bad. ACORN, im particular, had nothing to do with Obama. hell, it doesn’t really even have anything to do with ACORN. The “Alinsky” theory is a joke, and represents the paranoid, fantastic thinking so prevalent on the right these days. If you’re saying that Fox is the only “news” organization willing to contrive bogus, partisan scandals against Obama, then you’re only proving his point. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/347 "2009-10-25T04:07:57Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > … There aren’t any stories that make Obama look bad. If there were, everybody would report them. … BWA-HA-HA-HA … and liberals wonder why conservatives mock the over-the-top adulation of Obama, why conservatives laugh at us and use terms like “Obamessiah”? Dude, it’s blind sycophants like you that are giving the conservatives ammunition to attack our Party. I can’t figure out which is more naive. The idea that there aren’t any stories that make Obama look bad. Or the idea that if there were, everybody would report them. Like the widespread coverage in the mainstream media about the White House trying to muscle the Fox News reporter out of the press pool only 48 hours after the White House Spokesman said they wouldn’t do it? Yeah, that doesn’t make Obama look bad. Yeah, that got wide coverage … not. **Diogenes** , do you know what you could do to really help the Democrats, to do the most you could for Obama, to truly advance the agenda of our party? … … Stop posting … you’re embarrassing us. The very best thing you could do for the Democratic Party is to STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/348 "2009-10-25T04:11:21Z")
I’m not a Democrat. and the “Obamamessiah” thing is a right wing canard. No one on the left feels that way. I don’t buy for a scond that you voted for Obama, by the way. I think you’re a garden variety dittohead. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/349 "2009-10-25T04:18:48Z")
IIRC, you also thought Camille Paglia always sided with conservaives. The following is from Wiki: _“Paglia’s views have led to accusations of neoconservatism; she described those making the accusations as “idiots.””_ 😉 And she voted for Obama: _“In the 2008 U.S. presidential election, Paglia supported Barack Obama.”_ [Cite](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_paglia) ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/350 "2009-10-25T04:19:43Z")
Who are you talking to, and who gives a shit? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/351 "2009-10-25T04:20:10Z")
You. And you should. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/352 "2009-10-25T04:30:20Z")
I have no idea what you’re referring to vis-avis Paglia, but I doubt I ever said she only takes the conservative view, and I _really_ don’t see what relevance it has to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/353 "2009-10-25T04:32:50Z")
Camille Paglia is of modest interest as a cultural pundit, and a natural born shit-disturber. I would find it very difficult to consider her as a political observer of any real import. YMMV. ( **Starving Artist** as a major fan of Camille Paglia. Sure. That makes sense! Uh huh…) ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/354 "2009-10-25T04:52:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I have no idea what you’re referring to vis-avis Paglia, but I doubt I ever said she only takes the conservative view, and I _really_ don’t see what relevance it has to this thread. Then maybe it wasn’t you. I could have sworn that it was, but I could be wrong. If so, I apologize. Now having said that, what it had to do with this thread was to illustrate your propensity for calling Democrats who say things critical of Obama dittoheads. But then maybe that wasn’t you. I’m pretty sure it was though… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/355 "2009-10-25T05:13:25Z")
I’m pretty sure it wasn’t (in fact, I’m going to go ahead and say I KNOW it wasn’t…at most I might have said she’d been writing more conservative columns _of late_, but I’m sure I never said she ONLY takes conservative views), and I’m pretty sure **intention** isn’t a Democrat. If he is, he does a pretty good imitation of a dittohead. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/356 "2009-10-25T05:23:20Z")
You are correct. I seem to have merged [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11324377&postcount=525) by you in my mind with [this one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=11324606&postcount=532) by **Icerigger** a few more posts downthread. My apologies. I was wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/357 "2009-10-25T05:51:53Z")
No worries. ---
**Author:** ![intention](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e95f7d/32.png) [@intention](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/intention)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/358 "2009-10-25T06:05:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m not a Democrat. and the “Obamamessiah” thing is a right wing canard. No one on the left feels that way. > > I don’t buy for a scond that you voted for Obama, by the way. I think you’re a garden variety dittohead. Well, then you’re wrong, as well as being a fool for calling me a liar when you don’t know me. And I’ll likely vote for him again. I also know that no one on the left feels that way. I’m just explaining that people like you who claim that “there aren’t any stories that make Obama look bad” are why the “Obamessiah” canard contains more than a grain of truth. I am overjoyed, on the other hand, to find out you’re not a Democrat. Kinda restores my faith. PS - What on earth is a “dittohead”? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/359 "2009-10-25T06:16:14Z")
The stories cited did not reflect on Obama in any way, particularly not the ACORN story. What does ACORN have to do with Obama? Van Jones and Wright didn’t reflect on him either. I don’t think either of them even said anything that objectionable. The only really dumb thing said be either was Wrights’ contention that the government started AIDS, but even that wasn’t _so_ far fetched given that the government has intentionally given black people diseases before. It was a paranoid sentiment, but not a racist one, and not one that had anything to do with Obama. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/360 "2009-10-25T06:32:45Z")
> [@intention](#): > > PS - What on earth is a “dittohead”? Assuming this isn’t a whoosh – as it’s hard to imagine anyone as intelligent and knowledgeable as you remains ignorant of the term 😉 – many of Rush Limbaugh’s callers agree with him by saying “Dittoes, Rush.” Supposedly they can’t think for themselves and blindly agree with everything he says, thus their detractors around here call them “dittoheads.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497.md?page=19)