# Obama vs. Fox **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 20, 2009, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497 "2009-10-20T16:57:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/401 "2009-10-26T20:10:23Z")
:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/402 "2009-10-26T20:20:19Z")
> [@intention](#): > > I’m just explaining that people like you ( **Dio the Cynic** ) who claim that “there aren’t any stories that make Obama look bad” are why the “Obamessiah” canard contains more than a grain of truth. Exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2009, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/403 "2009-10-26T21:10:02Z")
> [@MeanOldLady](#): > > Why? I think it was for the video of the gal in the 3 million dollar fantasy bra. _That’s_ news we can all use. ---
**Author:** ![Anduril](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c0e974/32.png) [@Anduril](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anduril)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/404 "2009-10-27T00:17:48Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I’m not a Democrat. and the “Obamamessiah” thing is a right wing canard. No one on the left feels that way. From the outside, it sure looked like the “Obamamessiah” phenomenon was the real thing. Really. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/405 "2009-10-27T00:22:20Z")
What did you see that made you think that? Characterizations on Fox News? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/406 "2009-10-27T01:34:08Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > As \*\*DtC \*\*pointed out, Fox hasn’t been cut off, either. That’s because the rest of the news organizations gave the White House press handlers an ultimatum. They had no choice even though the attempt was made. The White House has already admitted the error of their ways so I’m not sure why some people keep trying to put lipstick on Rahm Emanuel. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/407 "2009-10-27T03:14:57Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > That’s because the rest of the news organizations gave the White House press handlers an ultimatum. They had no choice even though the attempt was made. So it didn’t happen, because the administration was forced not to do it. I don’t suppose you’ve got any evidence that it was ever going to to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/408 "2009-10-27T03:29:46Z")
What difference does it make? There was certainly an attempt made to do it. Your assumption that a crystal ball should be employed to determine whether it ever would have happened is not only beside the point but meaningless. Otherwise nobody would ever have reason to comment on anything a politician attempts until after he’s done it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/409 "2009-10-27T03:59:55Z")
There was no attempt made to do it. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/410 "2009-10-27T06:08:17Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > So it didn’t happen, because the administration was forced not to do it. I don’t suppose you’ve got any evidence that it was ever going to to happen? [CBS News](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMiqIW5e1Q&feature=player_embedded), video clip of the events. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/411 "2009-10-27T12:03:45Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > [CBS News](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnMiqIW5e1Q&feature=player_embedded), video clip of the events. [Wrong, actually](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php). Care to try again? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bb73d2/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Joe\_Meager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Joe_Meager)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/412 "2009-10-27T13:03:56Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > I’m not sure why some people keep trying to put lipstick on Rahm Emanuel. Because he’s Obama’s bitch? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/413 "2009-10-27T15:20:26Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > [Wrong, actually](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php). Care to try again? That article makes my head 'splode. The White House is happy to exclude Fox but didn’t? What kind of position is that? Personally I think that the White House should do what previous administrations have done: include them and ignore them. Of course, I also think the FoxNews pays little more than lip service to actual news (a view I also hold about MSNBC and, increasingly, CNN), so it’s hardly the end of the world if they don’t get a question in. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/414 "2009-10-27T15:46:44Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > [Wrong, actually](http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/wh-were-happy-to-exclude-fox-but-didnt-yesterday-with-feinberg-interview.php). Care to try again? Let me get this straight. Your position is that CBS is LYING when they reported that they and other networks challenged the White House for excluding Fox and that this never happened because the White House called the event a “misunderstanding”. Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/415 "2009-10-27T16:08:19Z")
It was a misunderstanding, yes. The networks were misinformed. Fox News was lying about having been excluded. The truth is, they were left off a list of networks that asked to be included because they never _asked_ to be included. The whole think smacks of Fox trying to pull a rope-a-dope, in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/416 "2009-10-27T18:39:14Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It was a misunderstanding, yes. The networks were misinformed. Fox News was lying about having been excluded. The truth is, they were left off a list of networks that asked to be included because they never _asked_ to be included. > > The whole think smacks of Fox trying to pull a rope-a-dope, in my opinion. So the networks went to bat for Fox and reported on the incident differently than the White House because Fox was misinformed? Really? The networks are lying? The only misunderstanding is the hiring of Rahm Emanuel. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/417 "2009-10-27T19:29:25Z")
Heck, I’d like to see the White House just issue statements along the lines of “…the President will be accompanied on his trip to Brussels by American journalists, plus some representatives from Fox…” ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2009, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/418 "2009-10-27T23:13:13Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Heck, I’d like to see the White House just issue statements along the lines of “…the President will be accompanied on his trip to Brussels by American journalists, plus some representatives from Fox…” Now that would be clever and not make FOx look like a victim. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/419 "2009-10-28T11:17:12Z")
[Quote=Diogenes the Cynic] It was a misunderstanding, yes. T **he networks were misinformed. Fox News was lying** about having been excluded. The truth is, they were left off a list of networks that asked to be included because they never asked to be included. [/quote] > [@Magiver](#): > > So the networks went to bat for Fox and reported on the incident differently than the White House because **Fox was misinformed**? Really? **The networks are lying**? > > The only misunderstanding is the hiring of Rahm Emanuel. Clearly that’s not the only misunderstanding here. Care to try again? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2009, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497/420 "2009-10-28T12:24:05Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > Clearly that’s not the only misunderstanding here. Care to try again? It never happened. It’s not real. It isn’t there. Everything ever reported about Obama that puts him in a less than flattering light is wrong. If it comes from Fox News, it is lies; if it comes from anyone else, it is a mistake. Anyone who says otherwise - CBS, Fox, NBC, anyone - is wrong, wrong, wrong. > [@](#): > > You mean other then trying to trying to cut them off from interviews so that other news agencies force the issue? This never happened. > [@](#): > > It is trying marginalize Fox, and to suppress the criticism and negative exposure it’s getting from Fox, by causing it to be ostracized by and shut off from White House officials and the rest of the news media. No, this never happened. It didn’t happen, goddammit! Regards, Shodan [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-vs-fox/514497.md?page=22)