# Obama was lying when he said he opposed gay marriage... anyone surprised? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 10, 2015, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-was-lying-when-he-said-he-opposed-gay-marriage-anyone-surprised/712306 "2015-02-10T17:31:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 145
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-was-lying-when-he-said-he-opposed-gay-marriage-anyone-surprised/712306/145 "2015-02-18T20:36:44Z")
> [@Gerald\_II](#): > > Good point. If it was just about proving his machismo he could have already claimed his Afghanistan as his own “Gulf War”. It was about proving it\* to his father\*, at least that’s how he explained it to himself. That meant, again in his own mind, winning _his father’s_ war, the one his father stopped undone, and clearing some of the demons from his drunken wastrel 20’s and 30’s and all the comparisons to his father’s life that he got told about constantly. Again, it doesn’t have to make sense to be a reason. > [@](#): > > I would be curious to know if there were any hawks in Washington during the Clinton Administration who wanted to invade Iraq or remove Saddam and if they had any influence with the subsequent Bush Administration. None of any influence. > [@](#): > > I’d be curious to know how much of a role people like Paul Wolfowitz played in getting the Bush Administration to invade Iraq. Since they had taken a strong position in urging Clinton to do it, even before 9/11, and came up with most of the lies told to support it, hell yes. > [@](#): > > Yeah, the “CPAC bunch” wanting to jeopardize the economy, our resources, and our standing in the international community just so they could claim they were part of not one, but two wars sounds ridiculous. They thought it would be over in weeks and would pay for itself. They really did. What really happened was never considered possible, and those, like Shinseki, who warned them otherwise got expelled from school for it. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama-was-lying-when-he-said-he-opposed-gay-marriage-anyone-surprised/712306)._