# Obama **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 15, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463 "2016-06-15T21:02:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/201 "2016-06-17T03:36:19Z")
> [@andros](#): > > šŸ˜• There isnā€™t a lame duck president, not until November. > > Or was that a joke? Shame on you ā€¦ Pitted broken ducks ā€¦ have you no spam ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/202 "2016-06-17T03:58:43Z")
Iā€™m wondering why the OP would put any stock in the political opinions of Americans who donā€™t even know what a constitution is. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/203 "2016-06-17T04:05:10Z")
> [@davidm](#): > > Iā€™m wondering why the OP would put any stock in the political opinions of Americans who donā€™t even know what a constitution is. Asked repeatedly and not yet answered. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/204 "2016-06-17T04:19:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Well, I would, but apparently the entire rest of the board isnā€™t done pointing out what a moron you are, so I guess Iā€™m going to have to let this one ride for a bit longer. \ ā€œhave toā€ or ā€œwant toā€? Come on now, be honest. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/205 "2016-06-17T04:44:41Z")
> [@IBuildEm](#): > > That picture of Obama might be why he continues to refuse to say radical islam. Actually, Obama has explained quite clearly why he doesnā€™t use the term ā€œradical islamic terrorismā€ - for the same reason his predecessor, George Bush didnā€™t! Because it alienates the non-radical muslims that we _need_ on our side, and plays directly into ISISā€™s ā€œIslam vs. the Westā€ narrative. > **[President Obama Slams 'Yapping' Over 'Radical Islam' And Terrorism](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/14/482041137/president-obama-slams-yapping-over-radical-islam-and-terrorism)** > > "It's a political talking point. It's not a strategy," Obama said in a lengthy speech in which he also criticized Donald Trump's proposals for Muslim immigrants. ā€œNot once has an adviser of mine said, ā€˜Man, if we really use that phrase, weā€™re going to turn this whole thing around.ā€™ Not once. So, someone seriously thinks that we donā€™t know who weā€™re fighting? If thereā€™s anyone out there who thinks weā€™re confused about who our enemies are, that would come as a surprise to the thousands of terrorists who ā€¦ weā€™ve taken off the battlefield. If the implication is that those of us up here and the thousands of people around the country and around the world who are working to defeat ISIL arenā€™t taking the fight seriously, thatā€™d come as a surprise to those whoā€™ve spent these last 7 1/2 years dismantling al-Qaida in the FATA, for example ā€” including the men and women in uniform who put their lives at risk, and the special forces that I ordered to get [Osama] bin Laden and are now on the ground in Iraq and in Syria. They know full well who the enemy is.ā€ > [@](#): > > And morally, logically, nothing can be said to infringe upon our 2nd amendments yet this president of ours continues to advicate in doing so. Am i the only person on my team here? In the eternal words of Yahtzee Crowshaw: ā€œGo team retard!ā€ The idea that you need to have some form of background check to make sure youā€™re not fucking crazy before you buy the kind of gun you could use to murder dozens of people in a few minutes from half a mile away does not infringe on your right to bear arms. > [@IBuildEm](#): > > Case was thrown out during the final year of presidency. Do you really think the wife of an ā€œimpeachedā€ man should be president? Do you really think itā€™s at all fair to judge someone by the actions of their spouse? > [@](#): > > Snopes is to liberals what Brietbart is to conservatives. Breitbart is a reliable, non-partisan fact-checking operation that focuses on debunking internet myths? That would, in fact, be news to me. > [@](#): > > That entire article just disregards the body count as conservative slander. Look into each one of those deaths on the list. Snopes says the clinton body count didny have any confirmed kills etc. My links do. We asked you for a citation and you refused to provide one, instead offering a _google search_, and requesting that we do the work of demonstrating your argument for you. When we turn up sources that you donā€™t like from that google search, you have no right to complain that ā€œmy links are betterā€. > [@](#): > > justify the iran deal for me, Weā€™ve gone from Iran getting nukes in less than a year to Iran getting nukes in maybe a decade starting from when they violate the treaty (at which point the sanctions start again). Even if we backed out of the deal, all of our allies which signed onto it and play a substantial role in upholding Iranā€™s sanctions would not. > [@](#): > > tell me about foreign policy lol, these illegals coming in and killing the girl in san fran, Under Obama, the actual number of illegal immigrants has been [going down](http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/). [Heā€™s deported more immigrants per year than any other president, and had a far lower rate of return than Bush](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/16/the-numbers-ted-cruz-cited-on-past-deportations-during-the-cnn-debate-were-way-off/). > [@](#): > > you really seem uninformed This is embarrasing. ---
**Author:** ![Death\_of\_Rats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a6a055/32.png) [@Death\_of\_Rats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Death_of_Rats)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/206 "2016-06-17T14:38:45Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > And Obama has overseen 300+ more drone strikes than his predecessor. (To be fair, drone strikes hadnā€™t fully come into vogue as a form of targeted killing during the Bush administration yet, technologically speaking, so maybe GWB could have given Obama a run for his money.) I have never understood this weird line of reasoning. How would any of these strikes been better if they had come from an F-15 or F-16? Being a drone just made the attack safer for _our_ people. We still would have put a few hundred pounds of explosives on a bad guyā€™s head, either way. How is it bad that a drone did it? šŸ˜• ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/207 "2016-06-17T14:53:50Z")
> [@Death\_of\_Rats](#): > > I have never understood this weird line of reasoning. How would any of these strikes been better if they had come from an F-15 or F-16? Being a drone just made the attack safer for _our_ people. We still would have put a few hundred pounds of explosives on a bad guyā€™s head, either way. How is it bad that a drone did it? šŸ˜• The frequency of our drone strikes and the paltry oversight in determining if these explosives are, in fact, being dropped on bad guyā€™s heads is a concern of mine. Why are drones worse? They detach the American public from the violence that is currently being carried out in itā€™s name. American pilots involve risk to American lives, concern for their welfare stays in the media news cycle which hopefully challenges politicians goals and holds their actions accountable. Iā€™m not advocating we ground drones, but they are a very easy political solution, and that should worry us more than it currently seems too. ---
**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/208 "2016-06-17T16:07:18Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Asked repeatedly and not yet answered. I wouldnā€™t hold my breath-OP hasnā€™t logged in in over 30 hours now. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/209 "2016-06-17T16:12:49Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Why are drones worse? They detach the American public from the violence that is currently being carried out in itā€™s name. American pilots involve risk to American lives, concern for their welfare stays in the media news cycle which hopefully challenges politicians goals and holds their actions accountable. Like all those news stories about how F-16s dropped bombs on the wrong peopleā€™s heads? Oh wait, that doesnā€™t happen. The idea of manned aircraft dropping bombs on the wrong peopleā€™s heads really only enters the public discussion when a Doctors Without Borders hospital is destroyed. The fear of drones doing something bad is more or less a constant buzz in our national security discussions. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/210 "2016-06-17T16:22:51Z")
> [@Finagle](#): > > Itā€™s a site called ā€œloonwatchā€. Clearly, the OP believes in truth in advertising. Well, it shows that Obama is a secret muslim and therefore evil. Weā€™re on a run of evil presidents, after all Bush was gay: [https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+kisses+a+saudi+prince&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1193&bih=810&tbm=isch&gws\_rd=ssl](https://www.google.com/search?q=bush+kisses+a+saudi+prince&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1193&bih=810&tbm=isch&gws_rd=ssl) Oh, for the old days of good old hetero-Christian Clinton! ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/211 "2016-06-17T16:32:22Z")
> [@IBuildEm](#): > > It sucks im the only player on americas team here, but what can you expect from a message board from a blue state newspaper Iā€™m late to this thread, so this has probably been done already, but there are plenty of conservatives on this board, and we have plenty of good, thoughtful fights (and a few knock down mud matches), but I donā€™t see them coming to the defense of your arguments. So, what lessons do you think you can draw from that? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/212 "2016-06-17T16:40:15Z")
Drawing lessons, fer sure! Maybe dancing lessonsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/213 "2016-06-17T16:41:15Z")
ā€¦that even the ā€œconservativesā€ on the board are liberal scum who hate America? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/214 "2016-06-17T17:59:37Z")
That he has his own set of facts, dammit, why arenā€™t we listening? ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/215 "2016-06-17T18:22:37Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Iā€™m late to this thread, so this has probably been done already, but there are plenty of conservatives on this board, and we have plenty of good, thoughtful fights (and a few knock down mud matches), but I donā€™t see them coming to the defense of your arguments. > > So, what lessons do you think you can draw from that? > [@andros](#): > > ā€¦that even the ā€œconservativesā€ on the board are liberal scum who hate America? Thatā€™s the beauty of the Dope: even our regular _conservatives_ are smart (somehow, anyway). ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/216 "2016-06-17T18:33:13Z")
> [@John\_DiFool](#): > > I wouldnā€™t hold my breath-OP hasnā€™t logged in in over 30 hours now. He slipped his collar ā€¦ that was quite a beating he took. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/217 "2016-06-17T20:18:25Z")
Eh, same old same old. New person suffering from terminal ignorance and unwillingness to learn blows onto the board, posts the same old crap weā€™ve all heard and rebutted for however long weā€™ve been on the dope. Person doesnā€™t believe sources, doesnā€™t read rebuttals, doesnā€™t comprehend rebuttals, panics and resorts to whatever magical words of protection are common for their malfunction. Then they run off back to whatever bubble they came from. Right wing, left wing, conspiracy theorist division, doesnā€™t matter. Dumb people who believe with great passion that they have found the truth and with the zeal of the convert, want to share it with the world. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/218 "2016-06-17T20:27:53Z")
\*Underneath the bridge The animals are trapped They have all become my pets And theyā€™re living off of grass And drippings from my ceiling Something in the way Yeah\* Eerie, did Kurt know this guy? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2016, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/219 "2016-06-17T21:57:27Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > In the eternal words of Yahtzee Crowshaw: ā€œGo team retard!ā€ The idea that you need to have some form of background check to make sure youā€™re not fucking crazy before you buy the kind of gun you could use to murder dozens of people in a few minutes from half a mile away does not infringe on your right to bear arms. It does his! šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ba8739/32.png) [@Backwater\_Under\_Duck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Backwater_Under_Duck)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2016, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/220 "2016-06-18T00:31:53Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Shame on you ā€¦ Pitted broken ducks ā€¦ have you no spam ā€¦ Pitted broken ducksā€¦ what? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463.md?page=12)