# Obama

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [June 15, 2016, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463 "2016-06-15T21:02:31Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/61 "2016-06-16T02:39:40Z")

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> [@Randolph](#):
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> I have met a great many people that lie.

> [@Count\_Blucher](#):
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> …ESPECIALLY in Construction…

Possibly I’m making an unwarranted assumption the that was a crack at the OP. If I’m correct, however, I’d urge you to not jump to conclusions.

A quick check of this guy’s posting history suggests that his “building” activities are primarily related to restoring motorcycles.

Seriously, OP, did you read any of the board other than the threads about building motorcycles?

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**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/62 "2016-06-16T02:47:03Z")

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I’d love to get an exit poll after the November election:

1. Who did you vote for?

2. Do you think that candidate is the best-qualified person?

3. Do you wish you could’ve voted for Obama?

I have a few conservative friends that’ve brought up the fact that they’d be answering that last question in the affirmative.

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**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/63 "2016-06-16T02:50:55Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Lol what makes you think that

I was dealt the racist card, might as well play it …

However … of all the points that have been presented in this thread … you focused on this particular one. How interesting …

As they say in the trade … ||

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**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/64 "2016-06-16T02:53:22Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Lol what makes you think that

How’s about answering one of the many questions you’ve been asked?

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/65 "2016-06-16T02:53:35Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> There is nothing that can be said to justify another Clinton presidency, that woman has been an enabler, thief, liar, and killer among others.

Killer?

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**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/66 "2016-06-16T02:55:07Z")

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What kind of Command-in-Chief would she be if she didn’t kill?

Oh … it’s un-ladylike?

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**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/67 "2016-06-16T02:56:29Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> **This thread has now become all liberal rant, no facts**
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> **MODS, CLOSE’R DOWN**

It started as all ignorant rant, no facts - I hardly think you can complain now.

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**Author:** ![IBuildEm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f475e1/32.png) [@IBuildEm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IBuildEm)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/68 "2016-06-16T02:58:39Z")

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> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> Killer?

> [@watchwolf49](#):
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> What kind of Command-in-Chief would she be if she didn’t kill?
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> Oh … it’s un-ladylike?

Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle

[https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8](https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

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**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/69 "2016-06-16T03:03:43Z")

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Wait, I thought we were supposed to be bitching about Obama.

Anyway, OP, who do you plan to vote for come November?

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/70 "2016-06-16T03:04:13Z")

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No facts? Growing economy, good foreign policy, good judicial appointments, good environmental record, lowering national deficit. All facts

As others have said, best president in my lifetime. No regrets.

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/71 "2016-06-16T03:04:30Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle
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> [list of clinton associates found dead - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

[Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/Politics/clintons/bodycount.asp) says you’re full of it.

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> We shouldn’t have to tell anyone not to believe this claptrap, but we will anyway. In a frenzied media climate where the Chief Executive couldn’t boff a White House intern without the whole world finding out every niggling detail of each encounter and demanding his removal from office, are we seriously to believe the same man had been having double handfuls of detractors and former friends murdered with impunity?

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**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/72 "2016-06-16T03:05:05Z")

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[The Clinton Body Count, via Snopes.](http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp)

I mean, it hardly needs to be said, but still the whole thing is so sad. I mean, I’d rather go back talk some more about Bill’s Penis.

Did you all hear that Alex Jones has discovered [The Truth](http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alex-jones-michelle-obama-man-who-murdered-joan-rivers-cover-it) about Joan Rivers’ death? Turns out she once made a joke about Michelle Obama being a “tranny” - which is totally true! And Obama is a gay man. And so they had Joan Rivers killed before she could blow their cover!

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**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/73 "2016-06-16T03:05:58Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle …

Sure … they fit right in with that Washington DC crowd …

Hey … stupid … Bill Clinton _was_ impeached … do your parents know you’re up this late?

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**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/74 "2016-06-16T03:06:49Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle
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> [list of clinton associates found dead - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

Her husband _was_ impeached, you moron.

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**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/75 "2016-06-16T03:09:03Z")

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> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> Obama is leaving the country in better shape than it was in when he took office.

Well, there \*\*\*is \*\*\*that $8 trillion increase in the national debt, the largest of any presidency in American history.

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**Author:** ![Onomatopoeia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/onomatopoeia/32/4145_2.png) [@Onomatopoeia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Onomatopoeia)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/76 "2016-06-16T03:09:29Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle
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> [list of clinton associates found dead - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

Do you have any idea how a debate works? You can’t just throw unsupportable and many-times debunked nonsense in a thread and not attempt to support it. That is to say you can if you want, but doing so is a poor debating technique.

Either support your thesis with facts or go away. It is that simple.

ETA: Calling anyone who disagrees with you a liberal is childish.

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**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/77 "2016-06-16T03:11:13Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle
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> [list of clinton associates found dead - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

I went with this one. What do I win?

> **[‘Clinton Body Count’ Rumors](https://www.truthorfiction.com/clintonfriends/)**
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> A list of people associated with the Clintons who have died originated in the mid-1990s with an organization that made a name for itself in the conspiracy theory world.

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**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/78 "2016-06-16T03:11:21Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> Pick any of these links, that woman and her barely unimpeached husband are about as crooked as a 45 degree angle
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> [list of clinton associates found dead - Google Search](https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&oq=list+of+clinton+associates+found+dead&aqs=chrome..69i57.12367j0j4&client=ms-android-sprint-us&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8)

My personal associates who have died… well, a few years I did a little list of funerals I’ve attended. I was dismayed that at the tender age of 38 ( or thereabouts), I had known 45 or so people well enough to stand graveside. More than 1 a year if we started from birth - and I didn’t. I started my count from age 9.

Want to start a conspiracy theory about me? My “associates” die at an alarming rate.

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**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/79 "2016-06-16T03:11:22Z")

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> [@Wesley\_Clark](#):
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> We do need to address the national debt. I recommend we do what California did to escape their budget crunch. Raise taxes and cut spending.

Agreed, but I think how we go about it matters. We didn’t run up this debt in four years and we won’t pay it off in four years, either. Like personal investing we need to get time working on our side; start when you’re young, save a little bit a month, and keep at it. I’d like to see us do the same with the national deficit. Bring it down a bit in the next fiscal year, and the one after that. And when we get down to a balanced budget, keep at it. Run a small surplus to start paying down the debt; build up our credibility so that when a crisis hits and we need to borrow, we can. It should be a prolonged, disciplined, responsible approach. This thing we’ve been doing for decades where the deficit is a crisis, then no big deal, and then a crisis again is just not the way to do it.

And to the OP, that’s one of the reasons I like the current administration.

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [June 16, 2016, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obama/757463/80 "2016-06-16T03:17:01Z")

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> [@IBuildEm](#):
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> **This thread has now become all liberal rant, no facts**
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> **MODS, CLOSE’R DOWN**

Well, I would, but apparently the entire rest of the board isn’t done pointing out what a moron you are, so I guess I’m going to have to let this one ride for a bit longer.

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