Obamacare "Tech Surge"

If you mean are they responsible for planning and implementing their projects? Yes, they are.

If you are saying that Obama and Co. had no clue in the world how big a botch the whole thing would turn out, then I would agree with you. But the notion that there is no way to predict that someone with no experience in leading or managing projects would have little to no clue what to expect, or what would go wrong, then I would disagree.

It’s not even that the buck stops with the President. It’s that the buck started with him too.

It’s his idea, his project, his law, his plan, and his responsibility. If it turns out that it’s FUBAR, that’s his too.

Regards,
Shodan

You’re still not acknowledging the part about the people being hired having been hired for the very expertise that you insist on blaming Obama for not having. That is not how a private-sector contract works - a supplier who is hired to do a job has to do the job, and that includes making things work. These guys didn’t do their job. It’s essentially that simple, and your desires to defend Canadian web developers and bash a Democratic President don’t change that.

You are putting the blame on people who are not expected to have the expertise required, but to hire those who do. You also know why you’re getting comparisons to your views of how Bush handled a war that destroyed a country and killed tens of thousands. Your criticism of Obama for some stumbles in providing adequate basic health care is easily a hundred times more voluminous than your criticism of a President who you still can’t admit gave you lies you swallowed entirely. No, those comparisons you see here aren’t about Bush; they’re about you. What you’ve treated us to here is, in short, indistinguishable from simple partisan shilling.

The administration was legally bound - but they’re the ones who tied their own hands. You act like the hand of God decreed it, but the deadlines were baked into the same law that called for a portal in the first place. And of course, being legally bound hasn’t stopped Obama from pushing out the dates anyway, or telling insurance companies to sell illegal policies anyway.

When you’re looking at building one of the largest IT projects ever attempted, it’s sheer idiocy to set up the law’s implementation such that hard, irrevocable deadlines are only a couple of months away from the ship date of the project required for people to meet the deadline.

If they had listened to anyone with serious experience with large software engineering projects, they would have been told that schedule creep is likely, and a complete blow-out of the schedule is a distinct possibility. This is true of ALL large software projects, even if they are run correctly. Software is complex, and it doesn’t take too many surprises before you run into serious budget and schedule blowing problems. That’s why real project managers do risk analysis and come up with mitigation plans in advance for when things go in the weeds.

This would not have been hard to do. For example, they should have had proper tollgate reviews, and plans for cutting features or extending the delivery date if the tollgate reviews showed that progress was not on track. They should have had an early deliverable of a minimum-required-feature version of the portal a year ago, and plans in place to push the implementation of the rest of Obamacare out if that tollgate was missed. That way, even if the full-featured portal was delayed, they could have gone with the minimum-spec system until the other one was ready. And if the minimum-feature version was late, they would have been able to give everyone a year’s warning and pushed out the implementation of the law. Hell, they could have written the law so that the deadlines were based on X months from the point at which the portal was declared to be ready for business.

Then they should have used the minimum-feature portal as part of a phased rollout, picking a few compliant states as early adopters. This would not only have allowed them to test the software, but it would have allowed them to examine the impact of the law on a smaller population group before foisting on the entire country.

There are many other things you can do in these situations to mitigate risk. A responsible project management team would have had them in place. The Obama administration didn’t even have a proper project management team. Obama himself specifically made the choice to allow a political functionary to run the project, against the advice of his own economic advisors who told him he needed a proper engineering manager. Then when she left the job, David Cutler warned him to pick a proper manager, and Obama ignored the advice again and put another political functionary in the position.

And if you’re about to say that these types of procedures aren’t possible in a government-run project because of partisanship and political necessities, congratulations - you just helped make the point that governments shouldn’t be trying to do this stuff in the first place.

Over 90% of large government IT projects miss their release deadlines. About 40% of them fail completely and are never delivered at all. Yet the Obama administration decided to bet their entire health care plan and 1/6 of the economy on delivering a multi-year development project on schedule, and then refused to take any action (other than making it worse by adding requirements) when the engineering teams were sounding the warning months in advance of the rollout.

And amidst all this ignorance, hubris and fail, you somehow managed to blame Republicans. Well done.

The scope was ‘dramatically increased’ years ago. The states made their decisions known early on. There was plenty of time to revisit the engineering plan then, but they just assumed that somehow it would all work out.

Then the Obama administration chose to withhold requirements from the engineering teams until after the election, for fear that the details would be used against them in the election. Likewise, there was terrible communication between the various vendors because the administration chose to withhold key architecture diagrams from them for political reasons until after the election.

And one of the biggest scope expansions came late in the process, when the Obama administration suddenly tacked on a requirement that everyone had to create an account and log into the system before they could even request pricing, because they knew that the prices coming in from the insurers were going to cause ‘sticker shock’. They dumped that massive requirement on the developers just a couple of months before release.

“Mostly Working”? You have evidence of this? Because just last week Congress heard testimony that the back-end systems, including payment processing, hadn’t even been started. The estimate was that the entire project was only about 60-70% complete. The insurance companies are still reporting errors in the data they are getting. The entire portal was down for an hour and a half yesterday morning.

And by the way, ‘mostly working’ is a terrible metric. It should have been ‘mostly working’ a year ago. It should have been completely working six months before the deadline so that they had time to do load testing, security testing, and fix bugs. So no, having something ‘mostly’ working two months after the deadline is not pretty good. It’s a total fail.

And there has still been no proper integration testing, no security audit (another major security flaw was found a couple of days ago by happenstance), and probably the only reason the whole system is hanging together better now than it was in October is because most people have already given up trying to use it so volume is way down.

I love how Obama is now framing success as “Working for most of the people most of the time.” That formulation will allow him to claim success no matter how many visible failures there are, because he can always claim that the failures are part of the 20% instead of the 80% - even if 3/4 of the transactions fail. So long as they don’t release the real numbers, it’s very hard to tell from the outside where the system is working for 80% of the people or only 50%.

And of course, if the insurance companies are getting bad data, missing fields in forms, accidental cancellations, double entries, and other issues that have been reported, Obama will just blame them.

That’s just not correct. There were 55 different contractors hired - none of them were responsible for the entire project. That job goes to the ‘integration lead’, which normally would be another large contractor. For example, when the government hires someone like Rockwell or Grumman to build a large system, they’re the integration lead - there may be other companies involved building subsystems in the project, but the integration lead will be the contractor responsible for pulling it all together and delivering the final project.

In this case, Obama made a specific decision to have the government itself (CMS) be the integration lead - despite their having no experience with this type of project. Then he appointed a lawyer to run the project instead of an engineering manager.

And Obama was specifically told to hire an engineering manager, and chose a political functionary instead. Then later, when that person left he appointed another, and again was specifically warned by his own economic team and by health care expert David Cutler that he had chosen the wrong people to run the project. He never listened.

This isn’t about me, or about the Iraq war. The facts in this case stand for themselves. But if you want to draw that analogy, I seem to recall a lot of people on this board complaining that Bush was not listening to his generals. Remember General Shinsecki?

You just can’t stay away from the personal, can you? I have repeatedly and politely tried to engage you on the issues. You’re an engineer, so you understand the arguments. But you refuse to go there, instead choosing character attacks and irrelevancies. I wonder why?

I can’t believe people are still pulling out this idea that Obama couldn’t change the dates of any requirements. Have they not be paying attention? Why, just recently they changed the open enrollment from Oct 15, 2014 to Nov 15, 2014. Any relation to the November 4, 2014 midterm election is completely coincidental.

Of course! By moving it from 20 days before the election to 11 days after, then they can…ah…they can…hmmm.

The devious mechanics of this dastardly plot elude me, John. Advise.

All this excuse-making and blame-throwing is great fun for a few of you, isn’t it? Or is it just masking frustration over the success of a Democratic initiative? It has to be agonizing, right?

Meanwhile, in the world where the concept of *responsibility *is understood and practiced: *Competent *people have been brought in, the website problems are now abating, real people are being helped, and this bump in the road will be a distant memory by Election Day. And the partisan hacks will be onto something else instead.

Even if you disagree with the argument, you should at least be able to comprehend it: if the Democrats expect something bad to happen around the time of the election, it is better for them if it happens after the election, once it’s too late to change the results.

The Open enrollment period is when you find out what your new and improved policy is. It could be coincidental, but since most policies will be better, Obama probably doesn’t want that to influence the election.

Elvis,

This post and your post of 8:57 both contain personal shots at another poster. This is a behavior I specifically told posters in this thread to knock it off.

I’m giving you a warning for failing to follow a moderator’s instructions. If you must characterize another poster - rather than his or her posts - the BBQ Pit is just a few small clicks away. Please do so there in the future.

Republicans made it abundantly clear that they were not interested in doing anything major in health care when the ACA was passed. They had made the conscious decision to oppose Obama’s agenda and were simply not going to vote for anything close to what the ACA became. There’s no way you can look at the past 5 years and say it’s the Democrats that chose not to work with Republicans. It’s 100% obvious that it is the Republican party that has fundamentally altered the way Washington works and it’s ludicrious to blame that on Obama.

So let me get this straight, in the midst of Republicans threatening to default on the debt if they didn’t get a one year delay in Obamacare, Obama is supposed to announce that the website needs to be delayed for two months?

Let’s sum up the record here. The Democrats won the Senate, House, and Presidency and used it to pass the ACA. That law has survived court challenges, obstruction from Republcian govnerors, several elections, repeated attempts to repeal it, and several manufactured crises. After all of this, the law appears to be working. The number of uninsured Americans is dropping dramatically, the rise in health care costs is the lowest its been in decades, and the health care system is truly being reformed.

So if we are looking at this from an overall perspective, the ACA is on it’s way to being a smashing success and no one is going to remember that the website stumbled out of the gate.

If we are looking at this from an IT project perspective, it’s the Republicans that have done everything in their power to make the project fail. Why in the world should I blame Obama for failing to anticipate or efficiently circumvent Republican obstruction instead of blaming the Republicans?

See below.

No. It probably needed to be delayed longer than that.

Obamacare may or may not turn out to be a smashing success. Right now, it looks like the next shoe to drop is going to be finding out that not enough of the “young invincibles” are signing up, and that’s going to drive rates up. But we’ll see.

Aside from that, this thread is about the website. Period. It was a disaster, and there is no way you can pin this on Republicans. They had absolutely nothing to do with the administration of that project. The law was set up so that states could opt out of the exchanges, and if Obama didn’t anticipate that many would, then that’s blunder numero uno. The warning signs were all over the place that this web site wasn’t ready, but they decided to launch it anyway. No Republican made them do that. No Republican picked Nancy-Ann What’s-Her-Name to run the show-- that was Obama. No Republican set the parameters for what the web site was supposed to be, and no Republican forced the administration to change to parameters along the way.

And that’s why so many Democratic Congresscritters are upset with Obama.

Wouldn’t that be convenient?

Unfortunately, context does matter, and that context does include the obstructionism that Obama was foolish enough not to recognize for what it was, and still is. That’s the underlying reason that states, or for that matter the insurance companies, have a role in this at all - a quixotic attempt at the bipartisanism that some of you still remarkably decry him for not displaying.

Only if you dismiss context. Perhaps you could explain why you’re doing so?

Many more are upset with him for his naively attempting to treat the congressional Republicans as responsible adults, and for the sacrifice of opportunity that the resulting unnecessary compromises represents.

This is not a “both sides are bad” situation, and trying to twist or ignore facts to make it one is not fighting ignorance. Put the responsibility and the blame where it belongs, please.

Context. You gotta come up with a better argument than that, Elvis. If you’ve got some concrete things you think the Republicans did to mess up the website, let’s see them. The only thing I’ve seen so far that remotely implicates them is that Republican governors/state legislators opted out of the exchanges. But that’s been baked into the law since the beginning, and if the Obama administration failed to see that coming, then they’re plain incompetent.

Besides, I never said anything about both sides being bad. This isn’t a thread about that. This is a thread about the botched website launch and what’s being done to fix it. I have no doubts that it’s going to get fixed, eventually. It’s an engineering problem. With luck, it won’t negatively impact the next election.

We’ll see how things go next year when Obamacare gets into full swing. And we’ve got an active thread in the Elections Forum to discuss that issue in depth.

The first clue will be when the haters pivot from Obamacare back to BENGHAZI, BENGHAZI, BENGHAZI!!!

Yep. Or when Obama starts calling it Obamacare again.

The launch was a disaster. The website is not. From what I’ve read it’s working for most people and that 95%+ of the applications are being correctly submitted to insurance companies.

Would it have been better to delay the website for a couple months? Sure, but again, that politically was not an option.

shrug I blame Republicans for Republican obstructionism a lot more than I blame Obama for not correctly foreseeing the extent of Republican obstructionism.

An inside view here about CGI’s operating culture being more about getting dollars from the feds than in serving it as a client. Quality of execution has been a major and persistent problem for them, based in resistance to conventional (proven) project organization methods, but their growing legal issues may overtake even that.

They never left it. Issa’s still holding hearings, and Graham is still issuing empty blustering threats.

They’re focusing in implementation and execution of Obamacare, a sign that they now accept it as part of the landscape - as well they should, since it was their own fucking idea ;). If they could ever get their shit together and offer the “replace” option that was supposed to follow “repeal”, they might be able to keep the discussion on existence instead, but that window closed long ago, and all they can do is look increasingly ridiculous with these endless repeal votes.

When did he stop? :dubious:

You buy a brand spanking new car, a real honey of a vehicle, but the fancy electronic unlocking mechanism doesn’t work right. Clearly, what needs to be done is roll the car over a cliff and then call the police and tell them it was stolen.

For all the hair-tearing and backflips, the website is not Obamacare, it is a means of accessing Obamacare. This distinction is not lost on those who are shrieking their lungs out about “failure”, they are not that stupid, they are simply hoping that we are.