# Obama's Birth Certificate is a fake.. 12 points of Forgery **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 29, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032 "2017-11-29T08:20:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/21 "2017-11-29T13:42:46Z")
> [@TomMaker](#): > > … > One group in Europe, Forlabs, that does major intel investigations… found 12 points of Forgery. Forlabs is a very very very famous investigative company btw in Europe… It’s The Best Place (that does what they do) in the Whole World! They do the very very very best investigations of any group that does investigations! They are very very … go ahead and add another _very_… best and greatest investigative company in Europe! BTW! The best. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/22 "2017-11-29T13:49:38Z")
Such an impeccable source. Had it been any other news source, I immediately would have questioned it. Second I clicked to Alex Jones Info Wars, you had me. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/23 "2017-11-29T13:58:56Z")
> [@Didactylos](#): > > (searching forlabS with an S only leads to a russian-only site) Now that is starting to seem likely. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/24 "2017-11-29T14:41:56Z")
> [@TomMaker](#): > > This guy … an expert also finds huge problems with the certificate. > > ! Conspiracy seeking clown finds conspiracies everywhere. What a shock. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/25 "2017-11-29T14:42:01Z")
> [@](#): > > The mainstream media will not even debate this !!! So, I did a quick (like 2 second) Google search, and basically, you are wrong. There are tons of links to ‘mainstream media’ sites that addressed this and debunked it. Here is [Snopes](https://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp), [New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther.html), and [CNN](http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html) (out of 2,332,600 hits). This is something so easily fact checked that it renders your whole OP suspect, if I knew no more about this than just what you wrote and linked too. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Miskatonic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.miskatonic/32/310_2.png) [@Mr.Miskatonic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Miskatonic)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/26 "2017-11-29T14:48:43Z")
> [@TomMaker](#): > > One group in Europe, Forlabs, that does major intel investigations… found 12 points of Forgery. Funny I looked at the top goole search for this(Forlabs obama birth certificate) and the only mention I could find was an World Nutter Daily article that failed to link to the report. Nobody seems to have seen this investiagtion. So the only evidence you provide is from the nutter group InfoWars and an unlocatable report. Smoooooth. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/27 "2017-11-29T14:56:17Z")
Tom, I couldn’t find Forlabs, but I went to another impeccable cite to help corroborate your story, it too is noted for truth, [The American Chronicle.](http://theamericanchronicle.blogspot.com/2016/12/obamas-birth-certificate-breitbart-and.html) A must read, everyone! I went to it to learn the correct spelling which is For Labs of Italy that was mentioned time and time again in your video, just wanted to see how they spelled it out since your video didn’t. When I type that in on a google though, I don’t find any matches. Do you have the Italian name of it? I’m starting to wonder if the Jews own google too now, since I didn’t get a match. I’m glad that you have studied this for some time, because you’ve inspired me to know more about this new breakthrough. In your video, it says Reed Hayes is a registered Democrat. I found another [cite,](http://www.city-data.com/states/Hawaii-Political-parties.html) stating Hawaii has “no party registration in the state.” Could this be an oversight, or have the Jews gotten to them too? I’m with ya, Tom, but gosh, it’s geting to where you can’t trust any of MSM anymore, glad you’re here to set it straight. Look forward to learning more because I found a few other tidbits that don’t add up either, but bet you can clear right up. Welcome to the boards, Tom, nice to have someone that is going to fight ignorance around here. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/28 "2017-11-29T14:58:25Z")
Since this is a board dedicated to fighting ignorance, I think you’ll find that conspiracy theories are not well regarded as truthful here. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/29 "2017-11-29T15:03:50Z")
I can’t believe you guys are unwilling to study this issue “for about ten hours or so”. You got better things to do or something? ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/30 "2017-11-29T15:06:52Z")
> [@TomMaker](#): > > I have been studying this awhile now. > I do not dislike Obama but I think the evidence is clear it you actually take the time to study this for about ten hours or so. > > One group in Europe, Forlabs, that does major intel investigations… found 12 points of Forgery. Forlabs is a very very very famous investigative company btw in Europe. > > This guy … an expert also finds huge problems with the certificate. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206Zrw\_-sqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206Zrw_-sqQ) > > Short vid about this… > The mainstream media will not even debate this !!! > notice this!! Serious question TomMaker, how much do you get paid to go online and spread this information? I’m looking to pick up a few bucks in retirement, and this internet tr\*ll farm stuff looks pretty easy. Do they provide templates, or do you have to author your own stuff, based on some talking points? I’ve spent time doing improv, so I can ad lib and come up with my own take on stuff, if that’s needed. Is it “make a living” money, or just “a few extra bucks” money? ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/31 "2017-11-29T15:08:07Z")
> [@Didactylos](#): > > I’m European and I’ve never heard of this outfit. Investigative companies isn’t exactly my specialty so they might be famous without me knowing about them, maybe even very famous. But very very very famous? No way! > > They appear to be a four man italian outfit: > [https://www.forlab.org/en/about-us/team/](https://www.forlab.org/en/about-us/team/) > (searching forlabS with an S only leads to a russian-only site) > > There’s no mention in the italian wikipedias 1.4 million articles. **Didactylos,** great catch about the s. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/32 "2017-11-29T15:35:28Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Funny how this thread suddenly popped up, isn’t it? It seems the truth warriors are russian around, putin the story everywhere. Kenya dig it? ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/33 "2017-11-29T15:40:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I can’t believe you guys are unwilling to study this issue “for about ten hours or so”. You got better things to do or something? Are you questioning my commitment to watching the grass grow? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/34 "2017-11-29T15:43:27Z")
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**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/35 "2017-11-29T15:44:15Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I can’t believe you guys are unwilling to study this issue “for about ten hours or so”. You got better things to do or something? Malcolm Gladwell says it takes 10 hours to become an expert at something. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/36 "2017-11-29T15:44:42Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > It seems the truth warriors are russian around, putin the story everywhere. Kenya dig it? > [@amarinth](#): > > Are you questioning my commitment to watching the grass grow? Grazing in the grass is a gas, or so I hear. Emphasis added. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/37 "2017-11-29T15:47:03Z")
My primary concern is that with all the time spent on researching birtherism, is the supply of new Toms going to be impacted? ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/38 "2017-11-29T15:47:42Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Would the OP please enumerate these twelve assertions? I tried to sit through that video, but after three minutes I still hadn’t seen anything that resembled a fact, and the poor quality was incredibly annoying. > > What are the twelve points please? Even one or two would be nice. Put them in a spoiler box if you absolutely have to. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/39 "2017-11-29T15:50:37Z")
Now I’m questioning everything! How can I find out if my own birth certificate is a forgery? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/40 "2017-11-29T15:51:13Z")
> [@TomMaker](#): > > I have been studying this awhile now. I’m sorry that you’ve wasted time from your life that you’ll never get back. Maybe go outside for a while and play in the fresh air and sunshine to make up for it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032.md?page=3)