# Obama's Birth Certificate is a fake.. 12 points of Forgery **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 29, 2017, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032 "2017-11-29T08:20:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/41 "2017-11-29T16:03:00Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > Would the OP please enumerate these twelve assertions? I tried to sit through that video, but after three minutes I still hadn’t seen anything that resembled a fact, and the poor quality was incredibly annoying. > > What are the twelve points please? I half-ass paid attention, but what I got was Mike Zullo of Maricopa County saying, “I’m an Obama supporter, I voted for him twice. Hurt the President of the United States. There’s nothing wrong with it. Hays’ conclusion is fraudulently manufactured. Nail in the coffin. Line up.” Maybe I should have paid more attention? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/42 "2017-11-29T16:08:16Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > _You know who else has gotten wise to the Truth about the Fake Birth Certificate? **Donald J. Trump, that’s who!** _ Fourteen months ago he pretended to believe Obama was born in Hawaii just to shut the libtard “journalists” up. **But recently [Trump insiders reveal he has remained aware of the Obama fraud all along.](http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/28/politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-birth-certificate-nyt/index.html)** If the Cheeto-Colored Cretin switches his position on this issue again, with the OP flip-flop to match, like the American Communist Party attitude toward Nazi Germany when Hitler allied with Stalin and then backstabbed him? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/43 "2017-11-29T16:08:42Z")
That’s the good thing about **YouTube**. They investigate EVERY video posted for truth and accuracy. Why yesterday, I posted a **YouTube** video proving Her Majesty, the beloved Queen of England, was a shape shifting reptilian life form from another world. It even showed before and after pictures of her as she shed her humanoid form and became a lizard. I was amazed. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/44 "2017-11-29T16:24:05Z")
Anyone want to take odds on the OP never ever posting again? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/45 "2017-11-29T16:32:17Z")
TomMaker, pointing to a bad YouTube creation as an argument, (particularly when “backed up” by nonsense claims such as that the Mainstream Media never examined the issue), is not a serious debate. Please provide a summary of the points claimed by the video, (preferably backed by actual evidence), or I will have to close this thread. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/46 "2017-11-29T16:33:46Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Anyone want to take odds on the OP never ever posting again? I was surprised to find three posts. But, upon further review, two of them were the same nonsense and one of them different nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/47 "2017-11-29T16:49:33Z")
> [@TomMaker](#): > > I have been studying this awhile now. > I do not dislike Obama but I think the evidence is clear it you actually take the time to study this for about ten hours or so. > > One group in Europe, Forlabs, that does major intel investigations… found 12 points of Forgery. Forlabs is a very very very famous investigative company btw in Europe. > > This guy … an expert also finds huge problems with the certificate. > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206Zrw\_-sqQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=206Zrw_-sqQ) > > Short vid about this… > The mainstream media will not even debate this !!! > notice this!! **Tom** , put yourself in the shoes of a person reading your posts for the first time. Who are you? What are your qualifications that allow you to state with certainty that Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was somehow faked? What are your responses to the points raised here in rebuttal of this notion? In particular, why do you think Mr. Trump, one of the loudest promoters of birtherism, would first drop his claims about Obama, then pick them up again? How convincing do you think you are to someone if you cannot be bothered to check your spelling and punctuation before posting? Do you believe that three exclamation points indicates that a baseless assertion somehow carries more weight than with only one exclamation point? ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/48 "2017-11-29T17:00:42Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > **Tom** … How convincing do you think you are to someone if you cannot be bothered to check your spelling and punctuation before posting? … I thought the errors were the most convincing aspect of his post! Wouldn’t the Russians have run a spell-checker if it came from them? ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/49 "2017-11-29T17:53:31Z")
His point about nobody debating this issue does seem to be accurate, though. HE isn’t even interested in a debate! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/50 "2017-11-29T17:58:01Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > His point about nobody debating this issue does seem to be accurate, though. > > HE isn’t even interested in a debate! Oh, he’s _interested_. He just doesn’t have any evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/51 "2017-11-29T17:59:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I thought the errors were the most convincing aspect of his post! Wouldn’t the Russians have run a spell-checker if it came from them? Well, yeah, but would they remember to change the language setting? ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/52 "2017-11-29T18:00:00Z")
Has anyone had the stomach to watch the video to see if there were indeed 12 points offered as evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/53 "2017-11-29T18:10:23Z")
> [@](#): > > 12 points of Forgery Is that one of those “50 Shades of Grey” knockoffs? ---
**Author:** ![harmonicamoon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/65b543/32.png) [@harmonicamoon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/harmonicamoon)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/54 "2017-11-29T18:36:18Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > TomMaker, pointing to a bad YouTube creation as an argument, (particularly when “backed up” by nonsense claims such as that the Mainstream Media never examined the issue), is not a serious debate. > > Please provide a summary of the points claimed by the video, (preferably backed by actual evidence), or I will have to close this thread. > > [/Moderating] Please don’t close this thread. It is more entertaining than cable TV. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/55 "2017-11-29T18:59:55Z")
Obama’s birth certificate was freshly generated _by_ the local government in Hawaii in response to President Obama’s request. It can’t be forged by definition - it was freshly printed. The point to question, if you were a birther, would be the official government records that this certificate was generated from. Those could theoretically have been messed with - though as a poster upstream points out, there were other documents from that era, like the notice in his hometown paper, that would have been nearly impossible to fake as well. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/56 "2017-11-29T19:08:38Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Has anyone had the stomach to watch the video to see if there were indeed 12 points offered as evidence? As near as I can tell, all 12 points were that the person did not understand how typewriters work. ---
**Author:** ![Razncain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9d8465/32.png) [@Razncain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Razncain)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/57 "2017-11-29T19:38:29Z")
I suppose the 12 points start at the :27 second mark, and ends about 35 seconds later, going at a rapid fire pace, the video claims numbers have been changed, but the screen shot is so far out on a good portion of it, they don’t allow you to see much of it. So impossible to make out. I’m guessing what discrepancies they might be seeing are from copies that could vary slightly, but just not arrive at the conclusions they draw. This Reed Hayes that is mentioned at the 2:10 mark, claim he is apart of what sounds like maybe, Reed Hyde & White, but not sure, it’s too garbled, and came up empty on search engines. It’s as if, they did that on purpose, but they wouldn’t have done that, right Tom? ---
**Author:** ![TomMaker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b782af/32.png) [@TomMaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TomMaker)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/58 "2017-11-29T19:48:58Z")
[https://www](https://www)…com/watch?v=jk3KRxTfkLM this vid shows 9 points of forgery by Joe Arapio investigation I belive its not real for sure ITS FAKE!! _Mod Note: Link Broken to try to create a teaching moment._ ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/59 "2017-11-29T19:51:55Z")
Stop posting Youtube videos and start posting arguments. Nobody is going to sit through a one hour video to see something any intelligent person should be able to sum up in a few paragraphs. Here’s a little life lesson for you; if a person spends over an hour to state a simple fact, they’re full of shit. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2017, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032/60 "2017-11-29T19:57:05Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > As near as I can tell, all 12 points were that the person did not understand how typewriters work. It’s difficult to keep up with all of this fancy new technology, so I think some slack would be in order. Not everyone is tech savvy and knows how typewriters work or how to use them properly. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obamas-birth-certificate-is-a-fake-12-points-of-forgery/803032.md?page=4)