Then why the need to deny permits if the market is already making coal obsolete?
Let’s assume that many forms and locations for coal mining are truly environmentally destructive for the sake of this argument. If this is the case, then less of it due to market forces is good, but even less of it due to market forces AND regulation is even better.
Coal mining by definition is environmentally destructive, and very dangerous work to boot. And an expressed policy of closing coal mines and denying new mining permits would be defensible. If that was a transparent policy. It looks like a stealth policy to me.
Probably because you don’t know very much about it, thus have to ask questions like this on a message board. Then you decide it looks like a ‘stealth policy’:rolleyes:
That’s all well and good, but it could simply be evidence that the Obama campaign thinks attack ads are more effective. It doesn’t really prove anything.
I know enough to know that there’s no need for the government to regulate out of existence what the market is already making obsolete.
I also know enough to know that the EPA under this administration has a habit of exceeding its legal authority:
People are still going to continue to consume energy, and at about the same rate. If we’re not getting as much energy from coal as we used to, that means we’re getting more from gas, or wind, or nuclear, or whatever. And that increased usage of those other sources means we’ve also got job creation going on in those sectors. Maybe some of those coal miners will have to retrain as gas drillers, and I suppose that’s inconvenient in the very short term, but long term, the closure of coal mines doesn’t really tell you anything.
We are getting more assuming the price stays the same. If the price of energy rises, that usually means supply has dwindled, or demand has increased.
The first ruling is on appeal. The second has nothing to do with the EPA “exceeding its legal authority”. Shall I address the third?
How do you figure the second ruling doesn’t involve the EPA exceeding its legal authority?
The same way I figure the EPA Administrator isn’t overstepping her authority when she eats a banana: it patently has nothing to do with the limits of the agency’s authority. I can only assume you googled “EPA lawsuit” and posted the first three results without reading them.
The case was about whether people subject to CWA compliance orders have the right to appeal directly to the courts, not about whether the EPA overstepped its authority. It’s explained rather well in your own link, which you might want to consider reading.
We just disagree on definitions then. To me, claiming you have the right to just impose judgments without appeal is exceeding your authority.
No, that would be exceeding your authority. That’s why I told you to read the case, because that’s not what happened: the EPA argued that the petitioners didn’t have the right to appeal a compliance order unless or until the EPA instituted enforcement proceedings.
Any objective person would find it impossible to give him a positive score. This is supported by democratic voter registration nationwide is DOWN- Obama fundraising down- Democratic enthusiasm is DOWN.
Incidentally these characteristics were present after Bushs 2nd term. I am not even going to waste my time citing all of the factual data that also supports that he has done bad. The facts above support that on their own.
Wait a sec. Your position is that Obama’s economic performance has been negative, and your evidence for this is an assertion that Democratic enthusiasm is DOWN? Further, you’ll brook no additional discussion?
An objective person might examine data related to the performance of the economy.
Additionally, is the meaningful comparison really between Obama 2008 and Obama 2012? Didn’t something happen between now and then that would make it more difficult for people to donate money? Something just before the election of 2008? Hmmmm, it’s on the tip of my total economic meltdown.
When I look at the fundraising numbers between Obama and Romney, it seems like Obama’s doing just fine.