Obama's Speech About ISIL Tonight (9-10-14)

Obama is a good janitor.

Or pay a tax.

Now that I come to think about it, shit, if the U.S. government let me choose between converting to some religion or paying taxes, I know which one I’d pick! :smiley:

Yikes. Britain is opting out of helping the US with air strikes. I hope Obama’s coalition includes Poland, because you can’t forget about Poland!

Honestly, I think Obama considers this an irritant-- something he shouldn’t have to deal with. I’m seeing a speech to mollify the masses over the beheadings, some half-hearted actions to hit ISIL in Iraq and then hoping it fades into the background. Or, since this is a multi-year effort, it will be left to the next administration to accomplish the goal. And I’m actually OK with that. Surely he’s smart enough to know that the Iraqi army and the FSA isn’t anywhere near an adequate ground support structure for air strikes. Else, why didn’t he mention the wild success we had in Libya with the same strategy.

I’m hoping that’s not what’s going through his mind right now. You never, ever, ever, use military force to “mollify” the public. Once committed, the mission must be completed. If the mission is to keep ISIS out of the Kurdish and Shiite areas of Iraq+ Baghdad, that was a very doable mission. Destroying ISIS is a lot more difficult and is simply will not happen with airpower alone.

As for the coalition building, it doesn’t matter. It’s a fetish with no purpose other than to try to make the turd of war look less smelly. If ISIS needs to be destroyed, we are more than capable of doing it ourselves. Britain’s lack of participation shouldn’t deter the President and I don’t imagine that it will.

Ok, I don’t like being a troll, but its all I can stands, I can’t stands no more.

This supposed sudden commitment of Obama to the war on terror is pure political bullshit. It’s his attempt at an ‘October surprise’. His people have told him that because of his policies & actions the DNC is incredibly vulnerable for this midterm election and there’s a serious chance that the Republicans will take both Houses and some Governorships just like what happened to Clinton in '94 (not to mention giving a boost to a Republican Presidential candidate for '16). The difference is that Clinton was a pragmatists who was willing to modify his policies in order to keep his popularity up. Obama is a true believing, America-hating, Islam-sympathizing socialist who only got in office because of his race. He is in so far over his head its not even worth discussing what he may or may not believe.

There is no logic in this statement.

There was an actual point to going into Afghanistan: they were harboring the criminal that had launched an unprovoked attack on the U.S.

There was never a legitimate reason to “go into” Iraq.

Our intrusion into Iraq provided one of the major factors that created the current situation in Syria. That still does not mean that we have an obligation to invade that nation, although we do have an obligation to support the peoples of that region in preventing the further expansion of ISIL.

First you posted that everyone in the region should kill each other.
Now you are suggesting that we kill them all.
You are clearly trolling.

This is a Warning to stop.

[ /Moderating ]

Psst… reports indicate that Obama woke up this morning. Looks like you’ve got another busy day ahead of you.

Leave Britain alone. They’re about to go through a big divorce and they’ve got another baby on the way. And don’t knock Poland either. Those guys are seriously skilled machanics. Who do you think keeps all that soviet era crap running? They can fix shit like you wouldn’t believe. And for cheap!

He left the “arm the FSA” decision to congress. Who won’t decide or won’t approve. If it looks like the republicans are going along with it, democratic congressmen will vote no. The gentleman from Connecticut (D) is already saying he’ll vote against any bill that contains arms for the Syrian rebels.

Never worry, you can count on Denmark when it comes to bombing and invading piece of shit countries in the Middle East. We’re getting some kicks in for all the bullshit we had to hear for the Muhammed Cartoons. Besides you’ve got half a dozen fascist oil-fueled dictatorships aiding you in your quest for democracy and freedom. Can’t go wrong with that. Some of them even have recent experience with crack down on their own peaceful protests and popular uprisings. That has got to count in your favour.

If we have learned anything in the past 13 years in the middle east it is that the SOB you know is always, always better than the SOB’s you do do not know.

What evidence do you have that Obama hates America? Are you aware that having a different set of political beliefs than you does not make you America-hating?

What is an Islam sympathizer? Someone who respects Islam as a religion? If so, perhaps you hate George W. Bush as the first EID stamps were released during his administration and he, to his credit, stressed that we are not at war with Islam.

What evidence is there that Obama is a socialist? What specific policies are socialist- a requirement that we buy private health insurance? Is mandatory auto insurance socialist?

He only got in because of his race? Yep, that explains why he carried Vermont and Maine all right. The three states with the highest black percentage of the population are Mississippi, Louisiana, and Georgia, yet Obama lost those states.

DNFtT.

Do not accuse other posters of being trolls outside The BBQ Pit.

[ /Moderating ]

That said, if you are going to spout your fact free, emotionally based opinions in Great Debates, refrain from calling yourself a troll, lest we decide that you are not being facetious and hand out a Warning for trolling.

[ /Moderating ]

What? I thought the lesson was “the SOB you arm is going to be the SOB you then have to fight give years later.”

There are many lessons to be learned from our mistakes in the Middle East. :wink:

I note that you did exactly that in post #127, which is what led to my post.

But I concede that I’m not a Moderator, apologize, and agree not to do this again.

Things are not looking so good. Most reports about the Syrian rebels note that they are leaderless, some of their best fighters are, in fact, Islamists and the last time we provided them with small arms, those ended up in the hands of ISIL.

And can we really distinguish ISIL from Iraqi Sunni Arabs? By taking sides in the civil war, we are also fighting against the latter.

Thomas Friedman had a great summary in his NYT editorial today:

"Our staying power is ambiguous, our enemy is is barbarous, our regional allies are duplicitous, our European allies are feckless, and the Iraqi and Syrians we’re trying to help are fractious. There is not a straight shooter in the bunch.

Other than that, it’s just like D-Day".

And you know any of that how?