# Obscenity in Narnia FanFiction **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 21, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854 "2011-07-21T14:47:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/21 "2011-07-21T16:28:18Z")
Why, oh why, did I open this thread? I could have remained blissfully unaware, but noooo… ---
**Author:** ![Turek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/turek/32/18782_2.png) [@Turek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Turek)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/22 "2011-07-21T17:04:51Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Why in the world does so much Narnia related fanfiction involve incest? Indeed the majority of the “pairings” in such stories involve in some combination two of the Pevensie siblings. … and the portions are so small! ---
**Author:** ![Chef\_Troy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/85f322/32.png) [@Chef\_Troy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chef_Troy)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/23 "2011-07-21T17:22:02Z")
Part of it may be that at least in “The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe,” the Pevensies are the only humans IN Narnia. Although I suppose it would be possible to write about Peter or Edmund getting some beaver. …I’d like to apologize for the above, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/24 "2011-07-21T18:19:22Z")
Well, the Narnia fanfic author’s options are pretty much limited to incest and bestiality. I’m really not sure why a person would object to there being incest in Narnia fanfiction so much as to there being Narnia fanfiction at all. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/25 "2011-07-21T18:23:52Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Well, the Narnia fanfic author’s options are pretty much limited to incest and bestiality. I’m really not sure why a person would object to there being incest in Narnia fanfiction so much as to there being Narnia fanfiction at all. Fanfiction doesn’t necessarily include sexual relations. There just…happens to be a rather…high correlation. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2011, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/26 "2011-07-21T18:26:06Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Fanfiction doesn’t necessarily include sexual relations. There just…happens to be a rather…high correlation. Look, you’d better not be opening up that “Does 0.99999999… really equal 1?” debate again! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/27 "2011-07-22T01:28:45Z")
As a sidenote, in a book I saw to-day, CS Lewis made extremely racist comments-no, I don’t mean the whole Calormene thing but in one of his letters he said to the effect that Chinese people were “only human in form”. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/28 "2011-07-22T01:44:02Z")
I think there are more options than incest and, uh, conventional bestiality. How about those parties that Bacchus throws? Have some more wine, Susan dear. No, don’t worry about Peter; the Naiads will take good care of him. So. Links? ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/29 "2011-07-22T02:03:26Z")
Qin Shi Huangdi writes: \> As a sidenote, in a book I saw to-day, CS Lewis made extremely racist \> comments-no, I don’t mean the whole Calormene thing but in one of his letters \> he said to the effect that Chinese people were “only human in form”. Excuse me, but I don’t believe this for a second. I’ve never seen anything remotely like this in any Lewis book. I just Googled on “C. S. Lewis”, “Chinese”, and “only human in form” and the only place those three phrases appear on the Internet are in your post. Please tell us what book you saw this in. I have all of Lewis’s books in my apartment and I will be glad to look up this supposed quotation if you tell me what book it’s in. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/30 "2011-07-22T02:05:13Z")
Slash fic? It’s _canon_… “How would you like to lie awake listening for Uncle Andrew’s step to come creeping along the passage to your room?” ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/31 "2011-07-22T02:16:50Z")
I don’t think it’s actually bestiality if the beasts in question are sapient. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/32 "2011-07-22T02:23:13Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > As a sidenote, in a book I saw to-day, CS Lewis made extremely racist comments-no, I don’t mean the whole Calormene thing but in one of his letters he said to the effect that Chinese people were “only human in form”. I don’t think he was perfect, but I don’t believe things without citations. What book? ---
**Author:** ![GythaOgg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@GythaOgg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GythaOgg)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/33 "2011-07-22T02:25:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The same reason it’s true in every other work. > > [ol] > [li]Because they are the main characters, and thus the characters people have the most connection with. They’re the easiest to pair up. And since they aren’t your relatives, or even real people, it doesn’t feel so wrong.[/li] > [li]Because it’s taboo. Since it’s fantasy, people get to explore that taboo, without it hurting anyone. They still get to have the shock value. Heck, for some, the shock value itself is attractive. Throwing it in a Christian work is even better.[/li] > [li]And then there’s rule 34. If it exists, there is porn of it. So this stuff has to exist. And since it’s the most controversial, it’s going to be shared, just like rubbernecking at a car crash. And if that’s what people run into, that’s what they’re going to wind up making. So IncestYay self-propagates.[/li][/ol] This is pretty much it. Narnia is far from being the only fandom with a high proportion of incest fic. In ‘Harry Potter’ fandom it’s called ‘twincest’ and features the Weasley twins, and in’ Supernatural’ fandom it’s called ‘wincest’ and features the Winchester brothers. There are others. This trope is common in canon in a lot of anime fandoms. (For example, Tenchi Muyo. Aeka was engaged to her half-brother). Not going to TVTropes to check, but they almost certainly have an entry for it. Fanfiction is definitely NOT about creating works the original creator would approve of. For many fans, it’s about exploring concepts and directions the original didn’t go in. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/34 "2011-07-22T02:45:39Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I don’t think he was perfect, but I don’t believe things without citations. What book? [http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Worlds-Narnia-Treasury-Fascinating/dp/0425205630/ref=sr\_1\_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1311302649&sr=1-4](http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Worlds-Narnia-Treasury-Fascinating/dp/0425205630/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1311302649&sr=1-4) This book in the afterword “Why Would Anyone Hate Narnia”. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/35 "2011-07-22T02:49:50Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > I don’t think it’s actually bestiality if the beasts in question are sapient. Still interspecies. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/36 "2011-07-22T03:01:57Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > [http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Worlds-Narnia-Treasury-Fascinating/dp/0425205630/ref=sr\_1\_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1311302649&sr=1-4](http://www.amazon.com/Magical-Worlds-Narnia-Treasury-Fascinating/dp/0425205630/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1311302649&sr=1-4) > > This book in the afterword “Why Would Anyone Hate Narnia”. Can you summarize what evidence is presented in that afterword? What did they say? I mean, what are their sources? ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/37 "2011-07-22T03:33:11Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Still interspecies. Yeah, but at least they could consent. And Reepicheep needed a little pussy. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/38 "2011-07-22T03:40:18Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Why in the world does so much Narnia related fanfiction involve incest? Indeed the majority of the “pairings” in such stories involve in some combination two of the Pevensie siblings. What would CS Lewis think? I think CS Lewis would think Uncle Screwtape was writing a letter of praise to Nephew Wormwood at doing such a bang-up job of corrupting human souls. Internet rule 34. ---
**Author:** ![Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/f04885/32.png) [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qin_Shi_Huangdi)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/39 "2011-07-22T03:41:30Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Can you summarize what evidence is presented in that afterword? What did they say? I mean, what are their sources? He was quoting a collection of CS Lewis’ letters. Of course letters often tended to be hyperbolic-see HP Lovecraft’s writings on race for example ---
**Author:** ![GythaOgg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@GythaOgg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GythaOgg)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/40 "2011-07-22T03:43:40Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I think CS Lewis would think Uncle Screwtape was writing a letter of praise to Nephew Wormwood at doing such a bang-up job of corrupting human souls. > > Internet rule 34. In case anyone thinks this is a recent trend, well do I recall the incest ‘Simon and Simon’ fanfic back in the 80s. (Before the advent of fanfiction on the internet, we had print fanfic fanzines. There were a lot of them. And rule 34, even though no one had invented it yet, pretty much still applied…) Heck, it wouldn’t surprise me much to find out some enterprising Victorian fan had written some Sherlock/Mycroft fic back in the day. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854.md?page=3)