# Obscenity in Narnia FanFiction **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 21, 2011, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854 "2011-07-21T14:47:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/61 "2011-07-22T14:49:52Z")
> [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > …this was more or less the standard European view of the rest of the world. In particular, it was the view of middle-class British men like Lewis and his brother. Read about Winston Churchill and his views on Gandhi. Right. The comment about “the West African” and “the Indian” is fairly progressive in context. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/62 "2011-07-22T15:23:14Z")
Quoth **Guinastasia** : > [@](#): > > And I thought My Little Pony slash was bad! I think that when you’ve got magical pony unicorns with butterfly wings and rainbows on their butts, it’s not really all that big of a stretch to make them gay, too. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/63 "2011-07-22T15:53:55Z")
> [@Gorsnak](#): > > Look, you’d better not be opening up that “Does 0.99999999… really equal 1?” debate again! 😛 There’s an entire genre of fanfiction known as “gen” or general, which involves no sex/smut whatsoever. It’s more common in some fandoms than others (procedural TV shows like Criminal Minds or House are especially good for it, but so are most of the comics fandoms) but I’d wager that every fandom that isn’t smutty to begin with and has a body of fic has some gen available. > [@GythaOgg](#): > > Fanfiction is definitely NOT about creating works the original creator would approve of. For many fans, it’s about exploring concepts and directions the original didn’t go in. It’s not necessarily about thumbing a nose at the creator, though. Mainly it’s just about telling a story that’s interesting to the fic writer. Which is why I suggest to the OP: if you don’t like what you find in Narnia fandom, leave it be. Or write your own fic. No one’s stopping you. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/64 "2011-07-22T15:57:05Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > Quoth **Guinastasia** :I think that when you’ve got magical pony unicorns with butterfly wings and rainbows on their butts, it’s not really all that big of a stretch to make them gay, too. Yeah but they’re just ponies! Do they all have to be hung like horses! ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/65 "2011-07-22T17:02:12Z")
> [@tumbleddown](#): > > It’s not necessarily about thumbing a nose at the creator, though. Mainly it’s just about telling a story that’s interesting to the fic writer. Sure, but what **GythaOgg** meant is that the creator’s approval or lack thereof isn’t a factor in deciding what to write about. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/66 "2011-07-22T20:42:16Z")
Fandom is a special snowflake place with rules not at all like the real world. For example, if you made Peter sleep with multiple boys at his boarding school, people will love you. You make Susan even look at a tube of lipstick and she’s a slut. - everyone by default is bisexual - if you like a het (heterosexual) couple you are automatically homophobic - if you take a ladies man and have him sleep with another man you’ll get a lot of fans but if you take a gay man and make him sleep with a woman you will be internet lynched - people get mad at you if you use a politically incorrect term even if it fits in the canon (ie, use nigger in Mark Twain fanfic and you’ll be piled on) - god forbid you say ‘transgendered’ instead of ‘transgender’, it’ll derail a thread for 10 pages - My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fandom is made up of college-aged females thinking they’re edgy - you get bonus points for both slash AND incest! I could go on and on and on. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/67 "2011-07-22T21:20:38Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > - My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fandom is made up of college-aged females thinking they’re edgy Oh how I wish that were so. Bronies are, like, the mirror opposite of most fandoms. Instead of a bunch of girls shipping a male main cast with each other, it’s a bunch of guys shipping a female main cast with each other. The rest of it holds true though. You’ll get branded a heretic if you try to say Rainbow Dash is straight. Bi is only barely tolerable. ---
**Author:** ![Maeglin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8baadc/32.png) [@Maeglin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maeglin)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/68 "2011-07-22T22:10:13Z")
For what it’s worth, [this](http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2081784,00.html) article is quite informative about fanfic. ---
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/69 "2011-07-22T22:21:46Z")
> [@Maeglin](#): > > For what it’s worth, [this](http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2081784,00.html) article is quite informative about fanfic. Ahahah. I sat in on a fanfic panel at Phoenix Comicon, which was way more entertaining than I would have expected. I felt silly for admitting I’d just finished working on a Stargate/MLP crossover fic, but the freaking panel leader started talking about how she was _best known for_ her Hetalia: Axis Powers mpreg fics. Plural. Indulging in fanfic is the _fastest_ way to get desensitized to just about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2011, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/70 "2011-07-22T23:51:35Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > - My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fandom is made up of college-aged females thinking they’re edgy > [@Bosstone](#): > > Oh how I wish that were so. Bronies are, like, the mirror opposite of most fandoms. Instead of a bunch of girls shipping a male main cast with each other, it’s a bunch of guys shipping a female main cast with each other. This is truth; it’s the heavily male sci fi & fantasy forums I go to where I run into the most MLP:FIM fans. It’s hard to miss, what with all the pony avatars, pony pictures, the arguments over things like which _Baldur’s Gate_ character each pony would be or what happens if the humans from _Avatar_ invade Equestria…And I don’t think that college aged females would have come up with Pony Space Marines with chainsaw horns. ---
**Author:** ![GythaOgg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@GythaOgg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GythaOgg)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/71 "2011-07-23T02:23:29Z")
> [@Bosstone](#): > > Sure, but what **GythaOgg** meant is that the creator’s approval or lack thereof isn’t a factor in deciding what to write about. Pretty much, yeah. A fanfic writer is usually thinking “this story with my favorite media would be cool/sexy/funny/sad/etc IF…” and it goes on from there. There’s lots of gen fanfic out there, but there’s also lots of ‘WTF?!’ (like MPREG) out there, too. Quite a bit of fanfic is devoted to ‘fixing’ something the writer perceives as having gone wrong with the show, book, whatever. I dimly recall a whole subset of ‘redeeming Susan’ fics in Narnia fandom when I was exploring it some years ago. Most of them didn’t feature incest. Quite a large portion of Eureka fanfic is devoted to ‘fixing’ the death of Nathan Stark - it’s almost a rite of passage in that fandom to write a Stark fixit. Fanfic fandom is broad enough to support its own conventions, even. There’s everything out there, bad and good, if you look hard enough for it. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/72 "2011-07-23T02:57:55Z")
> [@GythaOgg](#): > > Quite a bit of fanfic is devoted to ‘fixing’ something the writer perceives as having gone wrong with the show, book, whatever. Someone seems to have objected strongly that Rivendell was never visited by the [Starship Enterprise](http://www.ficwad.com/story/29177). ---
**Author:** ![GythaOgg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@GythaOgg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GythaOgg)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/73 "2011-07-23T03:12:36Z")
> [@Koxinga](#): > > Someone seems to have objected strongly that Rivendell was never visited by the [Starship Enterprise](http://www.ficwad.com/story/29177). Trek is the grand old slut of fandom; it’s been crossed over with _everything_, including itself. (officially and unofficially. There was actually an official XMen/Star Trek crossover novel at one point…) My Little Pony is on the fast track to catch up, though. I’m pretty sure I saw an MLP and Freakazoid crossover a while back… Addendum: And then there’s[THIS…](http://io9.com/5823648/in-the-star-treklegion-of-superheroes-crossover-comic-spock-and-chameleon-boy-will-compliment-each-others-ears) ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/74 "2011-07-23T03:32:45Z")
> [@GythaOgg](#): > > Trek is the grand old slut of fandom; it’s been crossed over with _everything_, including itself. (officially and unofficially. There was actually an official XMen/Star Trek crossover novel at one point…) And one or two comic books. I’ve seen a number of screenshots of them, with Borg Sentinels and a popular scene of [Wolverine getting in Spock’s face](http://www.againwiththecomics.com/2009/02/wolverine-versus-spock_05.html) and getting the neck pinch. [Galactus of Borg](http://fc05.deviantart.net/images2/i/2004/05/b/5/Galactus_of_Borg.jpg) is a picture I see reposted a lot too. ---
**Author:** ![kushiel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbce88/32.png) [@kushiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kushiel)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/75 "2011-07-23T04:40:00Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > This is truth; it’s the heavily male sci fi & fantasy forums I go to where I run into the most MLP:FIM fans. It’s hard to miss, what with all the pony avatars, pony pictures, the arguments over things like which _Baldur’s Gate_ character each pony would be or what happens if the humans from _Avatar_ invade Equestria…And I don’t think that college aged females would have come up with Pony Space Marines with chainsaw horns. I have now realized fandom\_secrets has a lot more men that I thought it did, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/76 "2011-07-23T05:15:48Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > Why in the world does so much Narnia related fanfiction involve incest? Indeed the majority of the “pairings” in such stories involve in some combination two of the Pevensie siblings. What would CS Lewis think? I’ve never read Narnia fanfiction, but I just took a look on [FanFiction.Net](http://www.fanfiction.net/book/Chronicles_of_Narnia/) (which allows you to sort by genre and pairing) and it doesn’t look like Pevensie incest is as common as you say. It appears that Susan/Prince Caspian is the most popular pairing, probably thanks to the movie. Other pairings involving Prince Caspian are also common, and it looks like he may be the most 'shipped character in the series. Romances with two Pevensie siblings listed as the main characters definitely exist, but it looks like a lot are not actually about romances _between_ the Pevensies. While some are clearly labeled as incest stories, there are many where two Pevensies are listed as the main characters because their love interests are non-canonical. There seems to be a lot of “Peter and Edmund meet Mary and Sue” or “Peter and Edmund get caught up in a love triangle with Princess Mary Sue”. ---
**Author:** ![GythaOgg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/49beb7/32.png) [@GythaOgg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GythaOgg)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/77 "2011-07-23T14:27:25Z")
> [@Lamia](#): > > I’ve never read Narnia fanfiction, but I just took a look on [FanFiction.Net](http://www.fanfiction.net/book/Chronicles_of_Narnia/) (which allows you to sort by genre and pairing) and it doesn’t look like Pevensie incest is as common as you say. It appears that Susan/Prince Caspian is the most popular pairing, probably thanks to the movie. Other pairings involving Prince Caspian are also common, and it looks like he may be the most 'shipped character in the series. > > Romances with two Pevensie siblings listed as the main characters definitely exist, but it looks like a lot are not actually about romances _between_ the Pevensies. While some are clearly labeled as incest stories, there are many where two Pevensies are listed as the main characters because their love interests are non-canonical. There seems to be a lot of “Peter and Edmund meet Mary and Sue” or “Peter and Edmund get caught up in a love triangle with Princess Mary Sue”. The great majority of Narnia incest fanfiction is in special archives that you actively _have to go looking for to find._ Some of them you have to register for. This stuff is, largely, not just floating around in the open on the net. It’s tucked in private Livejournal communities and special websites. I’m not a reader of this stuff but it’s known it’s out there, and I went through a Narnia fanfic phase a few years back. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/78 "2011-07-23T15:01:50Z")
> [@GythaOgg](#): > > The great majority of Narnia incest fanfiction is in special archives that you actively _have to go looking for to find._ Some of them you have to register for. This stuff is, largely, not just floating around in the open on the net. It’s tucked in private Livejournal communities and special websites. I’m not a reader of this stuff but it’s known it’s out there, and I went through a Narnia fanfic phase a few years back. I have no doubt that you are correct, but if the OP objects to Narnia incest fanfiction I would assume he’s not actively going looking for Narnia incest fanfiction. Then again, he wouldn’t be the first person to go looking for obscenity and then complain when he finds it. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/79 "2011-07-23T15:17:43Z")
Because Qin likes direct questions, I’ll ask for you guys: **Qin** , where are you finding these incest fics? Where are they ubiquitous? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2011, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854/80 "2011-07-23T15:24:32Z")
> [@Qin\_Shi\_Huangdi](#): > > This is a bit of a rant but I’m also trying to create an actual disucssion here. > > Why in the world does so much Narnia related fanfiction involve incest? Indeed the majority of the “pairings” in such stories involve in some combination two of the Pevensie siblings. Just two? Shame. > [@](#): > > What would CS Lewis think? “Just two? Shame.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscenity-in-narnia-fanfiction/589854.md?page=5)