# Obscure Love & Rockets Question **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 14, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549 "2003-01-14T18:05:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/1 "2003-01-14T18:05:55Z")
I’m reading back through my L&R collection and I realize there’s a plot point that I’m not sure Los Bros ever resolved: Do we ever find out what happened to Israel’s twin sister when she vanished during the eclipse? Anybody out there who’s a bigger L&R geek than me … ? ---
**Author:** ![lost4life](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c4cdca/32.png) [@lost4life](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lost4life)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/2 "2003-01-14T18:13:33Z")
Sorry, I thought this would have something to do with Daniel Ash. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/3 "2003-01-14T18:16:29Z")
lost4life … ditto. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/4 "2003-01-14T18:29:42Z")
Yes … I mean the original Love & Rockets comic book, not the band that ripped off the name … ---
**Author:** ![Morgainelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Morgainelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgainelf)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/5 "2003-01-14T18:39:13Z")
Ripped off? I would think it more of an hommage… But sorry, I thought this was about the band, too. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/6 "2003-01-14T18:50:06Z")
I knew what it was about. Los Bros Hernandez were really cheesed off about the band naming itself that. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/7 "2003-01-14T18:54:42Z")
Israel was the real big, handsome guy in the Palomar stories (by Gilbert), right? Didn’t he end up as a model or a male hooker or something in L.A.? Damn, I have no idea what happened to his twin sister. It’s been ages since I’ve read those stories. But one of the things I always liked most about Palomar was all the loose ends…how did Luba ever end up in that town? What happened to the gringo photographer? Did Heraclio and Carmen ever have that baby? I remember her being hugely pregnant at the end of one story, but then the timeline looped back on itself again… ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/8 "2003-01-14T19:02:04Z")
Yeah, Israel wound up as a kept boy. How Luba got there – very complicated. It takes a whole book to tell: “Poison River”. It’s vol. 13 I think. Basically she and Ofelia are hiding out from the gangster friends of Luba’s first husband Peter. Howard Miller (the photographer) gets the crap beaten out of him for sleeping with Tonantzin and goes back to the U.S. Don’t remember if anything happens to him after that. Heraclio and Carmen have the baby – I know I’ve seen panels of them with at least two kids. (Carmen had an abortion, remember, because she had cheated on Heraclio with Israel …) But what happened to Israel’s twin sister … !!! ---
**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/9 "2003-01-14T19:35:01Z")
The very last L&R magazine issue (#50) had the few Palomar natives hanging around after the earthquake and the attempts on Luba’s and Gorgo’s lives, and on the last page, a jet setter type woman comes up to them and asks them about Israel. They tell her he no longer lives in Palomar, and she requests that if they see him, to tell him that she has news about his twin sister. I don’t recall the woman’s name (don’t have the issue here at work), but AFAIK nothing’s been done with that plotline since. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/10 "2003-01-14T19:41:22Z")
Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/11 "2003-01-14T21:02:33Z")
That woman was Isabel Ortiz Rubens, Maggie & Hopey’s pal from the other side of the book, looking like she did when we first saw her in “how to kill a…” She was even spot-drawn by Jaime. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2003, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/12 "2003-01-14T21:04:46Z")
BTW, there were some big hints that Rena might have been Maggie’s real mom. Or was that my imagination? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/13 "2003-01-15T18:23:18Z")
Wait, so the implication is that Izzy is Israel’s twin … ? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/14 "2003-01-15T18:37:32Z")
I think that **was** the implication. But I don’t think it was ever spelled out. ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2003, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/15 "2003-01-15T19:39:19Z")
I was never sure of the time periods in the Palomar stories. If Jaime’s L.A. series is contemporary, then how far back in the past does Palomar go? Izzy looks like she’s in her thirties, anyway, and we see Israel from boyhood, but I’ve never seen him look as old as Izzy. (Maybe she’s had a harder life?) ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2003, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obscure-love-rockets-question/148549/16 "2003-01-16T08:21:37Z")
Except for some flashback stories (about Ray, Maggie or Penny as little kids), Locas has always stayed in “real time” from about 1982-present. The Palomar stories, excluding “Poison River,” start sometime in the late 60s with “Act of Contrition” and likewise go to the present time.