# Observations of the 3rd Democratic Debate **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [September 13, 2019, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136 "2019-09-13T00:14:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/181 "2019-09-16T17:17:50Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#): > > Repealing the 2d Am. outright would do no damage to the nation. Why not dump the whole Bill of Rights? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/182 "2019-09-16T17:18:39Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#): > > Sounds rather unsporting, to use a semi-auto to hunt. Other people may have different concepts of “sport”. Or maybe their aim just sucks. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/183 "2019-09-16T17:53:26Z")
it feels like the media and politicians are still trying to deliberately sow confusion over the difference between auto/full auto and _SEMI_auto operation, as it plays into their “gotta’ ban 'em all!” mindset… points of clarification; Full Auto/Auto - there are two different types of automatic fire, Auto, which means the gun will continually fire as long as the trigger is held back, until either the trigger is released, or the magazine is emptied, and Burst, which fires three rounds for each pull of the trigger, one pull= three rounds fired Semi-Auto; ONE round is fired for each pull of the trigger, pull the trigger back and hold it, you get one round fired, pull the trigger and release, one round, to fire another round the trigger must be released and pulled again. the _ONLY_ “automatic” operation that takes place in a semi-auto is the fired case is ejected and another live round is chambered, that’s it, it just Automatically Re-Loads, the more accurate term should be Autoloader. the only difference between an autoloader and a bolt action, pump, or lever action is that the act of ejecting and chambering a new round is done manually in these guns, the operator must work the action to ready the next round. “Full Auto” firearms are already essentially “banned” for the average law abiding citizen, as they would need to acquire a Class 3 license, be background checked and fingerprinted by the FBI, \*AND pay an additional $200 for a federal “Tax Stamp” for _each_ automatic firearm purchased, the average time for this to happen is six months to a year on average and is rather expensive as well, the firearms in question are also generally prohibitively expensive, ranging from $3000-$15,000 or more Not to mention that full auto firearms are no more accurate than their non-semiautomatic cousins (actually most are less accurate) and have really no real world usage anyway, they are however, extremely fun range toys when used in a safe, supervised environment such as a gun range. the semi-auto rifles like the AR-15/M4 clones are no more a “weapon of war” than the typical passenger car is a NASCAR/LeMans/Formula 1/IndyCar race car, the AR series rifles just happen to _look_ scarier than their wood-and-steel cousins There is no real functional difference between an AR pattern rifle, and a Ruger Mini-14 (wood and steel rifle that fires the same cartridge as the AR) one looks like a “scary” Evil Black Rifle, one looks like Grandpa’s old farm rifle. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/184 "2019-09-16T17:57:15Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#): > > Sounds rather unsporting, to use a semi-auto to hunt. Hardly. You know that a bolt action or lever action fires almost as fast as a semi-auto? The advantage of a semi-auto is reduced recoil. The ignorance about guns by those who wish to ban them is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/185 "2019-09-16T17:58:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Other people may have different concepts of “sport”. Or maybe their aim just sucks. Most Olympic shooting is done with semi-autos. Are Olympic sports a 'sport"? The ignorance about guns by those who wish to ban them is amazing. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/186 "2019-09-16T18:03:55Z")
…and I thought we were _all_ about “Fighting Ignorance”, it says so right in the header… ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/187 "2019-09-16T18:15:08Z")
A few videos showing how the semi-auto operates, Ruger 10/22 rifle, CZ-75 9mm, Glock 17 9mm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5m2f8htMIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AWpiIvWpxU ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/188 "2019-09-16T18:45:27Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Most Olympic shooting is done with semi-autos. Are Olympic sports a 'sport"? The subject is _hunting_. Or, perhaps for some, meat-spraying. Or, more probably, missing. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/189 "2019-09-16T19:10:09Z")
Thread title: Observations of the 3rd Democratic Debate Thread topic: 95% of the posts are about Guns! Jesus wept. ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/190 "2019-09-16T19:38:02Z")
Blame Beto, he started it 😉 2A infringements aside, the debate was rather tame, Bernie and Biden seemed amusingly befuddled, I didn’t find any of them particularly compelling or offensive (aside from Beto’s delusional rant), but I also dislike trump, I find no compelling candidates at this point. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/191 "2019-09-16T19:48:28Z")
That was the only news from this debate. Of course it’s going to be the main topic. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/192 "2019-09-16T21:18:25Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > The subject is _hunting_. Or, perhaps for some, meat-spraying. Or, more probably, missing. One of the most popular deer rifles is made by Browning and is a semi-auto. It’s plenty accurate. It also only has a limited magazine and doesnt look scary. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Duality](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.duality/32/4098_2.png) [@Mr.Duality](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Duality)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2019, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/193 "2019-09-16T22:01:40Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#): > > Sounds rather unsporting, to use a semi-auto to hunt. Darn right. We need to go back to bows and arrows for hunting. No crossbows or them newfangled compound bows either. Longbows forever!:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/194 "2019-09-17T02:08:02Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Why not dump the whole Bill of Rights? :rolleyes: Because the 2d Am. was included for anachronistic reasons, i.e., to facilitate a militia-based national defense system. It has no value, any more. The rest of the BoR still has value. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/195 "2019-09-17T03:17:16Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#): > > Because the 2d Am. was included for anachronistic reasons, i.e., to facilitate a militia-based national defense system. It has no value, any more. The rest of the BoR still has value. The Supreme Court disagrees. Oddly, I think their opinion is worth more than yours. ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/196 "2019-09-17T07:13:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And imho suicide is a basic human right. [Paging Robert W. Chambers!](http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/RepaRepu.shtml) ---
**Author:** ![kirkrapine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7ea924/32.png) [@kirkrapine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kirkrapine)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/197 "2019-09-17T07:14:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The Supreme Court disagrees. > > Oddly, I think their opinion is worth more than yours. Not with Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas and Roberts on it, it ain’t. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/198 "2019-09-17T17:25:35Z")
> [@kirkrapine](#): > > Not with Kavanaugh, Alito, Thomas and Roberts on it, it ain’t. Ah, respected seniors jurists legal opinions aren’t any good since they disagree with a laymans.:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/199 "2019-09-17T17:56:17Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Ah, respected seniors jurists legal opinions aren’t any good since they disagree with a laymans.:rolleyes: Kavanaugh doesn’t qualify as a “respected senior jurist.” Roberts, maybe. Alito and Thomas, extremely iffy. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2019, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136/200 "2019-09-17T21:14:54Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, and in fact the voters are in favor of a ban on\* importing and selling\* “assault weapons”. > > But door to door confiscation? And if they start with AR15s, what’s next? That’s what the 70Million moderate gun owners will think. What you are saying seems to be Beltway conventional wisdom. But it is [wrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21866262&postcount=96). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/observations-of-the-3rd-democratic-debate/840136.md?page=11)