# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 127
**Author:** ![Morbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morbo/32/389_2.png) [@Morbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morbo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2016, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2521 "2016-07-09T22:24:14Z")
It looks to me like the exact same take of her turning her head towards Indy, from a different camera, when they go to the closeup of her. They just cut to Indy before the head shaking. Personally, I never thought that look was anything other than her not giving Donovan the correct cup, looking at Indy, and Indy acknowledging that she didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![mixdenny](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mixdenny/32/2962_2.png) [@mixdenny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mixdenny)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2522 "2016-07-10T04:15:53Z")
> [@Daddypants](#): > > Not something creative but… I have a habit of trying to figure out what the different letters on the back of cars mean. Only recently did I realize what the A in Audi A4, A6, and A8 stands for. Duh!:smack: Uh, it doesn’t stand for anything, it just a series designation. A, S, RS, and R series. Although people know it roughly means average, sporty, real sporty and race. Germans don’t screw around with car names. Just like BMW. 3, 5 and 7 are sedans, each larger. Even numbers are coupes, 4, 6, 8. And the next numbers did indicate engine size, now some of them mean “equivalent” engine size. My 535i was a medium sized sedan, 3.5 liter engine, injected. Dennis ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2523 "2016-07-10T05:25:50Z")
> [@mixdenny](#): > > Just like BMW. 3, 5 and 7 are sedans, each larger. Even numbers are coupes, 4, 6, 8. > > And the next numbers did indicate engine size, now some of them mean “equivalent” engine size. That may be their current lineup, but it’s a recent development. There used to be coupe and sedan in the 3-series. My 323is is a coupe with a 2.5 liter engine. And the current 3-series lineup includes a sport wagon. A few car companies have gone for technical naming schemes like that, but there usually seem to plenty of exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![Hermione](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cdc98d/32.png) [@Hermione](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermione)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2016, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2524 "2016-07-10T15:18:49Z")
Much earlier in this thread, I mentioned _These Happy Golden Years_ from the Little House series and Laura’s troubles with the Brewster (Bouchie IRL) family. The wife was resentful of Laura’s presence and depressed from her isolation on the prairie, and threatened suicide if her husband didn’t take her back East. Well, there was one wrinkle to the whole business that I hadn’t considered until someone brought it up on a message board–one of the reasons that Mrs. Brewster/Bouchie resented having Laura around. The couple was in their twenties IRL, and Mrs. Bouchie had just had a baby that wasn’t mentioned in the story (only the toddler son–actually from Olive Bouchie’s previous marriage, she was widowed and remarried in a short time). So here’s the wife, straggly, depressed (possibly from PPD as well as isolation), and recovering from a birth. And into this house with her young husband comes a fresh-faced teenage girl, pretty and stylish. So is it so far-fetched to think that Mrs. B might have feared she’d take his eye? (Nothing like that happened, of course, but it might have been at the back of Mrs. B’s mind.) ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2525 "2016-07-11T00:28:05Z")
> [@JSexton](#): > > Hm. I can’t decide if I agree with this. Video is here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA7J0KkanzM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA7J0KkanzM) starting at about :30 in. She definitely moves her head back and forth a little bit. It’s also a bit of a continuity error, as after the cut to just her, she turns her head to look at Indy, again. I’m not sure if that was intended as a “no” or not. You’d think that if it was, we’d see something like that in her expression when she’s the focal part of the shot, not just in the previous shot where she’s barely seen at all. The fade in her smile once Donovan isn’t looking at her tells the story. Plus, look at her face as soon as he drinks and flinches from the ill effects of the wrong grail. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2526 "2016-07-11T01:38:16Z")
In Weird Science, it was really inappropriate for Wyatt and Gary to tell the head biker to take his “faggoty friends and get the hell out”. It’s pretty clear that the head biker is “Wez” from Mad Max 2 (same actor, same Mohawk, same goatee). And it was strongly implied that Wez was a homosexual. So Gary’s comment was a bit inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2527 "2016-07-11T06:45:02Z")
I don’t blame myself for not noticing this one because it was foreshadowing of a future movie. But when Agent Sitwell was first introduced in _Thor_, [this shot](http://66.media.tumblr.com/c72349ef5a688b879a11c9b24683e1df/tumblr_n57g18GTAY1r3pk14o1_500.png) appeared to be nothing other than an interesting camera angle. It would be three years and five movies later before the implication of Sitwell having two faces would be revealed. ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2528 "2016-07-11T15:27:08Z")
Watching Star Wars as a kid, and repeatedly through my life, I never gave much thought to the extra shoulder armor on the stormtroopers on Tatooine in the “Look Sir! Droids” and “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for scenes” It wasn’t til The Force Awakens came out with troopers wearing different colored shoulder armor in the opening scene, and the trooper giving an order did I realize that those indicated a Trooper’s rank. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2529 "2016-07-12T16:22:11Z")
Watching the remastered “Doomsday Machine” episode of _ **Star Trek** _, I just realized how much the shark music in _ **Jaws** _ sounds like the theme for the Planet Killer! ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2530 "2016-07-12T17:29:35Z")
Just rewatched **The Sting**. I realized that plot would never have worked. Lonnegan would end up having them all killed. ---
**Author:** ![furryman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/furryman/32/99_2.png) [@furryman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furryman)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2531 "2016-07-12T18:29:01Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > Watching the remastered “Doomsday Machine” episode of _ **Star Trek** _, I just realized how much the shark music in _ **Jaws** _ sounds like the theme for the Planet Killer! Listen to Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring sometime. ---
**Author:** ![Crybaby\_Boobie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crybaby_boobie/32/545_2.png) [@Crybaby\_Boobie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crybaby_Boobie)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2532 "2016-07-12T19:16:21Z")
I never really gave it much thought until recently, but I realized that the Grissom in Star Trek III must have been named after Gus Grissom from Apollo I and I thought that was a nice touch. And at the time of the movie’s making, he would have been the most famous fatality from the US space program. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2533 "2016-07-12T19:18:17Z")
Or the [New World Symphony](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9OBf8f55tU) ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2534 "2016-07-12T19:33:17Z")
Come to think of it, the Planet Killer itself bears a more than passing resemblance to a big ugly shark, though the episode was actually their version of the Ahab-vs-Whale story in _ **Moby Dick** _. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2535 "2016-07-12T19:51:41Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Just rewatched **The Sting**. > > I realized that plot would never have worked. Lonnegan would end up having them all killed. Since spoilers are inevitable in this thread: don’t they _know_ that? Isn’t that why they build the con around Robert Redford and Paul Newman getting gunned down with blood everywhere in a room full of cops, so that Lonnegan will let himself get hustled out of there instead of standing around the scene of a double homicide? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2016, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2536 "2016-07-12T21:30:03Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Since spoilers are inevitable in this thread: don’t they _know_ that? Isn’t that why they build the con around Robert Redford and Paul Newman getting gunned down with blood everywhere in a room full of cops, so that Lonnegan will let himself get hustled out of there instead of standing around the scene of a double homicide? Yes, but it’s also likely that Lonnegan will figure out he was conned. Maybe when he doesn’t see anything about the homicides in the paper, or when Snyder (the cop who hustled him out) finds out that he’s been conned, too. Newman even says that they have to break the place down and get out quickly, and that the heat is gonna be on him again. Still, it’s a fantastic movie. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2016, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2537 "2016-08-15T01:31:24Z")
Been watching a lot of Friends lately and just noticed this one (or maybe I saw it before, but really took notice of it this time). It was in the episode The One Without The Ski Trip. Ross shows up at Carol’s house. She mentions that it’s late and he asks if he woke her, as she says no, she has a bit of a smirk on her face and she’s got some pretty obvious ‘sex hair’ going on. They’ve made mention to sex hair on the show in other episodes (and even commented on it further), but that’s the only time you’ve seen it that I can think of. But what not only caught me off guard but also seemed really over the top for this show as that she then also picked a (implied) pubic hair off her tongue. Can’t find it on youtube, but I found it at the 22 minute mark [here](http://fullepisodes.biz/watch-free-friends-tv-show-season-3-full-episodes-friends-s03e17-season-3-episode-17-the-one-without-the-ski-trip-s3e17_58964876c.html). Coupla thinks of note: 1)It’s in the outro if you’re trying to find it quickly. 2)The ‘audience’ noticed since they ‘laughed’ at it. 3)There’s a variation of the clip on youtube that didn’t contain those jokes, so there must be multiple endings. Don’t know why, don’t know if they both aired or if one is in the box set. Either way that fullepisodes . biz was the only one I could find, as it aired, within the past few days. ---
**Author:** ![johnspartan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a183cd/32.png) [@johnspartan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/johnspartan)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2538 "2016-08-17T01:22:59Z")
I love the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit. But it recently occurred to me that the ending doesn’t really work, because it violates its own one basic rule. There is only one way to kill a toon, and that’s “Dip.” But the ending is entirely contingent upon Eddie Valiant figuring out that you can kill the weasels by making them laugh themselves to death. When there are other toons that do nothing but laugh. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2539 "2016-08-17T12:04:12Z")
> [@johnspartan](#): > > I love the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit. But it recently occurred to me that the ending doesn’t really work, because it violates its own one basic rule. The book\*\* Ella Enchanted\*\* by Gail Carson Levine has a similar problem. The whole point of the book is that Ella is cursed to be obedient; she _must_ do whatever someone tells her, no matter how much she hates it. How does it end? She grits her teeth, tries really hard, and is able to disobey someone. The movie might have a different ending, but I haven’t seen it. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/2540 "2016-08-17T22:05:09Z")
> [@johnspartan](#): > > I love the movie Who Framed Roger Rabbit. But it recently occurred to me that the ending doesn’t really work, because it violates its own one basic rule. > > There is only one way to kill a toon, and that’s “Dip.” But the ending is entirely contingent upon Eddie Valiant figuring out that you can kill the weasels by making them laugh themselves to death. When there are other toons that do nothing but laugh. . . . Well, not exactly a contradiction, but a discovery. It isn’t an unreliable-narrator problem, because the people telling you the rule, didn’t actually know there was another answer. Also, it’s properly presaged, when the Sergeant tells his guys, “One of these days, you’re gonna laugh yourselves to death.” That gives the audience fair warning that, yes, there’s another way to kill a Toon. Lots of movies have twist endings where the hero figures out a new and unexpected answer to a problem. I’m thinking of 2001: A Space Odyssey, where Dave figures out how to get from the Pod to the Discovery. Does this “contradict the rules?” Or is it a clever example of thinking outside the [strikeout]Pod[/strikeout] box? ETA: phoomph, I thought strikeout was the code [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=126) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=128)