# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 177
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3522 "2020-03-25T03:30:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Stan Lee played a mailman who delivered a package to “Tony Stank” in _Captain America: Civil War_. It’s a funny line but I just realized it’s also a callback to Lee’s cameos in the first two _Iron Man_ movies, where Stark mistook Lee (playing himself) for Hugh Hefner and Larry King. It’s also an homage to the newspaper comic strip created by Stan and drawn by Dan DeCarlo called _Willie Lumpkin_ that ran from December 1959 to May 6, 1961. Stan and Jack Kirby introduced another Willie Lumpkin character as the Fantastic Four’s mailman in 1963. Stan also acted as the character in the 2005 _Fantastic Four_ movie. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3523 "2020-03-26T01:46:36Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > It’s also an homage to the newspaper comic strip created by Stan and drawn by Dan DeCarlo called _Willie Lumpkin_ that ran from December 1959 to May 6, 1961. Stan and Jack Kirby introduced another Willie Lumpkin character as the Fantastic Four’s mailman in 1963. > > Stan also acted as the character in the 2005 _Fantastic Four_ movie. I understood it was a Willie Lumpkin reference. But I had missed the significance of Stan Lee’s character getting Tony Stark’s name wrong after Tony Stark had gotten his name wrong in the past. In case anyone is wondering, I watched a YouTube video of all of Lee’s MCU scenes and seeing them together was when I made the connection. ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2020, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3524 "2020-03-26T03:12:01Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I understood it was a Willie Lumpkin reference. But I had missed the significance of Stan Lee’s character getting Tony Stark’s name wrong after Tony Stark had gotten his name wrong in the past. > > In case anyone is wondering, I watched a YouTube video of all of Lee’s MCU scenes and seeing them together was when I made the connection. Yeah, I was just adding on to what you said for those who didn’t grow up on the comics. ---
**Author:** ![terentii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terentii/32/212_2.png) [@terentii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/terentii)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3525 "2020-03-27T00:49:41Z")
In the \*\*\*Columbo \*\*\*episode “Forgotten Lady,” strains of “Walking My Baby Back Home,” from the movie Janet Leigh uses to establish her alibi, are woven into the background incidental music. I think this has to be unique in the series; I don’t know of another instance where something besides the studio music composed for the show was heard. (The episode where Johnny Cash was the murderer might be an exception, but I don’t think that one is ever shown anymore. I certainly haven’t seen it in decades.) ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3526 "2020-03-27T17:02:56Z")
The Amityville Horror. Unlike other spooky/satanic scary movies of the 70s which were at times forgetable, like The Devil’s Rain or The Hearse, there is ONE aspect of this film which makes it enduring… [![](https://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Amityville.jpg) ](https://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Amityville.jpg) The fucking House HAS EYES!!! ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3527 "2020-03-27T17:51:34Z")
> [@Enola\_Straight](#): > > The fucking House > HAS EYES!!! It was kind of obvious from the original [movie poster](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078767/mediaviewer/rm3313075968). How did you miss that? The sequel made it even [more clear.](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083550/mediaviewer/rm283097856) ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3528 "2020-03-27T18:37:37Z")
> [@Enola\_Straight](#): > > The Amityville Horror. > … > The fucking House HAS EYES!!! I’d say more than that, theside of the house looks like a human skull. > [@Telemark](#): > > How did you miss that? How did you miss the point of the whole thread? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3529 "2020-03-27T20:29:38Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > How did you miss the point of the whole thread? It’s one thing if it was subtle, but the advertising campaign emphasized it! Of course, we can all miss obvious things, I get that. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3530 "2020-03-31T00:17:49Z")
I was working from home today, using a desktop and a laptop at the same time, very non-ergonomic. I was stretching out to the laptop doing one handed copy and pastes, and I suddenly realized _why_ paste is CTRL-v. Remove text is CTRL-x: check Copy is CTRL-c: check Paste is CTRL-v: what the heck? Oh, yeah (::dope smack:🙂 “x” is next to “c” is next to “v” ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3531 "2020-03-31T02:14:19Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I was working from home today, using a desktop and a laptop at the same time, very non-ergonomic. I was stretching out to the laptop doing one handed copy and pastes, and I suddenly realized _why_ paste is CTRL-v. > > Remove text is CTRL-x: check > Copy is CTRL-c: check > Paste is CTRL-v: what the heck? Oh, yeah (::dope smack:🙂 “x” is next to “c” is next to “v” It’s poor design. They shouldn’t have put active keys next to each other and made it easy to hit the wrong key by mistake. (I’ve done it. I’ve copied a section of text with CTRL-C and then inserted it where I wanted with CTRL-V - only, oops, I hit CTRL-C a second time by mistake instead of CTRL-V. I just lost the section of text I had copied. Or I wanted to copy a section of text with CTRL-C but erased it by accidentally hitting CTRL-X.) They should have put neutral keys between the active keys to separate them. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3532 "2020-03-31T03:44:19Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > (I’ve done it. I’ve copied a section of text with CTRL-C and then inserted it where I wanted with CTRL-V - only, oops, I hit CTRL-C a second time by mistake instead of CTRL-V. I just lost the section of text I had copied. But that can be rectified with CTRL-Z. ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3533 "2020-03-31T05:08:36Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I was working from home today, using a desktop and a laptop at the same time, very non-ergonomic. I was stretching out to the laptop doing one handed copy and pastes, and I suddenly realized _why_ paste is CTRL-v. > > Remove text is CTRL-x: check > Copy is CTRL-c: check > Paste is CTRL-v: what the heck? Oh, yeah (::dope smack:🙂 “x” is next to “c” is next to “v” The “v” looks like a caret ^ that’s been inverted like so ˇ, both used in proofreading to indicate insertions. [Caret - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caret#Proofreading_mark) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3534 "2020-03-31T20:09:55Z")
Just saw the Tom Hanks desert-island movie _Cast Away_ for, I think, the third time, and finally noticed, in an early panning shot of the rooms of his character Chuck’s house, that he’d won several awards as a yachtsman. Made it clearer why he was able to later build and capably sail his raft to escape the island. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3535 "2020-03-31T21:12:28Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > But that can be rectified with CTRL-Z. I stand by what I said. CTRL-Z,C,B,M would have been better than CTRL-Z,X,C,V. ---
**Author:** ![Yorkshire\_Pudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/59ef9b/32.png) [@Yorkshire\_Pudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yorkshire_Pudding)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2020, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3536 "2020-03-31T22:45:32Z")
In our house, when somebody is embarrassingly slow on the uptake, the phrase used when admitting it/being riduculed for it is “Oh, like the _boots_!” which references the time - about 18 months after first seeing it - that I realised the sitcom ‘Doc Martin’ isn’t solely called that because it’s about a doctor called Martin. Y’know…? “Doc Martin”? Doc Mart_ens_…like the boots? ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3537 "2020-04-01T14:35:06Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I stand by what I said. CTRL-Z,C,B,M would have been better than CTRL-Z,X,C,V. Sorry to disagree, but I do all those functions with my left hand alone, and although I have pretty large hands, CTRL-M is not comfortable. Although I very occasionally mis-key CTRL-V (usually as CTRL-B, which bolds in most programs) CTRL-M would simply be unworkable. And as **Peter Morris** pointed out, if you hit the wrong key, CTRL-Z fixes it instantly. ---
**Author:** ![Enola\_Straight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dec6dc/32.png) [@Enola\_Straight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enola_Straight)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2020, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3538 "2020-04-03T01:04:14Z")
In the DC Cinematic Universe… The Wayne Enterprises logo [https://t6.rbxcdn.com/4333e2ab08b7a14b469e8ff8ab3addd2](https://t6.rbxcdn.com/4333e2ab08b7a14b469e8ff8ab3addd2) look at it…_upside-down._ [spoiler] It is a mausoleum for two…Dr. Thomas and Martha Wayne! [https://www.salemstones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Grey-mausoleum-with-bronze-door.jpg[/spoiler]](https://www.salemstones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Grey-mausoleum-with-bronze-door.jpg%5B/spoiler%5D) ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3539 "2020-04-09T10:43:10Z")
I must not be a great sailor, or else I was dazzled by the sci-fi, because I always quickly assumed the “warp drive” referred to bending and twisting space (it does, of course), before thinking about, you know, warping a ship. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2020, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3540 "2020-04-09T19:07:02Z")
Okay, this isn’t “obvious”, but there isn’t any other thread appropriate to put this in. In **Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade** , in the scene where Indy and his father have gone to Berlin to rescue the GRail diary, there’s a scene where the Nazis are having a book burning bonfire, and Indy inadvertently tuns into Adolph Hitler. Playing in the background was a march that I recognized as what I was always told was the _Hohenzollern March_, but which is evidently properly called the _Hohenfriedberger March_\*, the composition of which is credited to Frederick II (the Great), although apparently no one really believes this. It’s named after the Prussian victory at the Battle of Hohenfriedberger in 1745. (And the tune was apparently inspired by an even earlier march, the _Pappenheimer March_) In any event, the version in the movie had parts added onto it, and I wondered if this was a part I was unaware of, or if some other march segued into the Hohenfriedberger. It turns out that the march played in the movie was actually the _Königgrätz March_ , written by Johann Gottfried Piefke to celebrate (what else?) the Prussian victory at the Battle of Königgrätz in 1866, the decisive battle of the Austro-Prussian War. Piefke deliberately included the Hohenfriedberger March in his own composition, so I wasn’t completely wrong (aside from the name). I never would have known this, but I picked up a CD of Herbert von Karajan and the Berlin Philharmonik playing a selection of marches (all European, and mostly German, for that matter. Not a Sousa in the bunch), and it included both the Hohenfriedburger and the Königgrätz Marches. > **[Der Hohenfriedberger](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Hohenfriedberger)** > > "Der Hohenfriedberger" (AM I, 21 (Army March I, 1c and Army march III, 1b)), also called "Hohenfriedberger Marsch" or "Der Hohenfriedberger Marsch", is one of the most classic and well known German military marches. It takes its name from the victory of the Prussians over the allied Austrians and Saxons on 4 June 1745 during the Second Silesian War at the Battle of Hohenfriedberg, near Striegau. > There are many legends surrounding the origins of the march. Supposedly, the Bayreuther dragoon regim... > **[Königgrätzer Marsch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6niggr%C3%A4tzer_Marsch)** > > The Königgrätz March (AM II, 134 (AM II, 195)), also known as Der Königgrätzer or Der Königgrätzer Marsch, is one of the most famous German military marches, composed in 1866 by Johann Gottfried Piefke in commemoration of the Battle of Königgrätz, the decisive battle of the Austro-Prussian War, in which the Kingdom of Prussia defeated the Austrian Empire. In Piefke's most successful arrangement of the Königgrätzer Marsch, another march, Der Hohenfriedberger (commemorating the Battle of Hohenfried... [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/RgEoDT7ODXI/maxresdefault.jpg "Hohenzollern Marsch [German march]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgEoDT7ODXI) \*The Hohenzollern March is actually a very different composition by Gustav Mahler, composed in 1880 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2020, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/3541 "2020-04-14T04:38:02Z")
Not directly linked to a creative work but I’ve seen every episode of _The West Wing_ and a bunch of movies and TV shows without realizing this. I was just watching a YouTube video about the White House and I learned the Oval Office is not in the main building, the Executive Residence, which is where I always thought it was. It’s out in the West Wing and it’s been there since 1909. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=176) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=178)