# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 208
**Author:** ![alovem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b38774/32.png) [@alovem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alovem)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4144 "2021-05-22T16:49:37Z")
I don’t know. I looked online before posting and found no references to “hearing aid,” which is what it looks like. He’s the only one wearing one, so I’m guessing that’s what it is. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2021, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4145 "2021-05-22T17:02:52Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The article also points out that while Goldstein is part Jewish, she is also part Hispanic (and part Moroccan). Is Portuguese Hispanic? The article said that quarter was Brazilian. Just curious. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4146 "2021-05-23T01:43:54Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Is Portuguese Hispanic? The article said that quarter was Brazilian. Just curious. Maybe. Some people consider Brazilians Hispanic and some don’t. I realize many people define Hispanic as “originating in a Spanish-speaking country.” But if that’s the case then there are no Hispanic people in the United States either. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4147 "2021-05-23T01:54:13Z")
Portugal and Brazil are not Hispanic. More Brazilians speak English than do Spanish. You are thinking of Latin, as in Latin America. The USA is for sure a lot more Hispanic than Brazil, on the whole. Morocco has a lot of Sephardi (aka Hispanic) Jews, but that does not mean exactly the same thing in this sense. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4148 "2021-05-23T03:04:25Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Maybe. Some people consider Brazilians Hispanic and some don’t. > [@DPRK](#): > > Portugal and Brazil are not Hispanic. I agree with @Little_Nemo. I don’t think it’s cut and dried, at least in U.S. usage. [Wikipedia also seems to agree.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_(ethnic_categories)) As noted in that article, the U.S. Census Bureau uses “Hispanic” and “Latino” interchangeably. On the other hand, > The [US Department of Transportation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Department_of_Transportation) defines “Hispanic” as “persons of Mexican, Puerto Rican, Cuban, Dominican, Central or South American, or others [of] Spanish or **Portuguese** culture or origin, regardless of race.” [emphasis added] And to make things even more confusing, > _Hispanic_ was first used and defined by the U.S. [Federal Office of Management and Budget](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Management_and_Budget)’s (OMB) Directive No. 15 in 1977, which defined Hispanic as “a person of [Mexican](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans), [Puerto Rican](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Ricans), [Cuban](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubans), [Central](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America) or [South America](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America) or other [Spanish culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_culture) or origin, regardless of [race](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)).” Which seems to assume that anyone from South America is from a Spanish culture or origin, so it manages to simultaneously include and exclude Brazilians. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4149 "2021-05-23T06:52:50Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > Is Portuguese Hispanic? The article said that quarter was Brazilian. Just curious. From Wikipedia: " Hispania was the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula and its provinces." So the people who invented the root word included Portugal. Not that derivation is anything definitive. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 8:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4150 "2021-05-23T08:01:08Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > I think I vaguely remember that. Still. Riggs did seem like the only LADP officer living like bobo. I think that was supposed to be by choice - a combination of Spartan ethos and self-loathing. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4151 "2021-05-23T08:02:56Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > The article also points out that while Goldstein is part Jewish, she is also part Hispanic (and part Moroccan). From what I understood, she’s completely Jewish - part Russian Jew, part Moroccan Jew and part Brazilian Jew. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4152 "2021-05-23T15:24:59Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > From Wikipedia: " Hispania was the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula and its provinces." > > So the people who invented the root word included Portugal. And that’s how I learned it so Portuguese and Brazilians are Hispanic right? But it seems that at some point “Hispania” came to represent the area that is today Spain (approximately) where as Portugal was known as Lusitania. So does that mean the Spanish and the Spanish New World are Hispanic while Portugal and Brazil are Lusitanian? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4153 "2021-05-23T15:27:04Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Which seems to assume that anyone from South America is from a Spanish culture or origin, so it manages to simultaneously include and exclude Brazilians. And people of French (French Guiana), Dutch (Surinam) and British (Belize) descent. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2021, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4154 "2021-05-23T23:37:23Z")
How about “Iberian” or “Iberian-American”, then? ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Zappa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Mama\_Zappa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Zappa)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2021, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4155 "2021-05-27T00:24:25Z")
My son has been watching the original Star Trek series recently, and he had Requiem for Methuselah on the other day - the one with the immortal who was (among others) Leonardo da Vinci, Brahms, etc. The immortal kept trying to create an immortal android companion to keep him company. The one we see in the show is named Raina Kapec. I’m sure the reference to [the writer who coined the term “robot”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karel_%C4%8Capek) was quite intentional. Quite an AHA! moment for me when I noticed that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatio\_Hellpop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e5b9ba/32.png) [@Horatio\_Hellpop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatio_Hellpop)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4156 "2021-05-29T04:14:10Z")
Melbourne Guest May 23 ``` Is Portuguese Hispanic? The article said that quarter was Brazilian. Just curious. ``` > From Wikipedia: " Hispania was the Roman name for the Iberian Peninsula and its provinces." > > So the people who invented the root word included Portugal. > > Not that derivation is anything definitive. I referred to a friend of Spanish (but not Latin American) ancestry as “Hispanic” and he got kind of pissy about it. Good to know ahead of time. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 7:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4157 "2021-05-29T07:44:11Z")
As for the Portuguese, seeing how de Camões’s epic work is called _Os Lusíadas,_ I do not imagine anyone would take offense at “Lusitanian”, even if “Hispanic” potentially remains problematic (they are not _Spanish,_ after all). ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4158 "2021-06-01T20:32:24Z")
An example of something that one realizes without consciously thinking about the subject, it dawned on me that the music from _David S. Pumpkin_ comes from the _Little Superstar_ viral video. This is something that everyone else already knows. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2021, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4159 "2021-06-01T21:52:39Z")
In Pulp Fiction, I just assumed that Winston peeled off the exact amount of currency to buy Jimmy an oak bedroom set. After many watchings it became obvious that this was just a payoff to Jimmy with no relation to how he used the money. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4160 "2021-06-02T01:39:05Z")
Upon the 1023rd rewatch of the first episode of _WKRP In Cincinnati_, I just now noticed that the record Johnny plays on the switch to R&R is tracking on the center label, not anywhere on the LP. You’d think somebody, Like Hesseman would have caught that. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2021, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4161 "2021-06-02T11:58:06Z")
I wonder how many takes that was - they actually spend a bit of time showing him cueing it up, so it must have taken sometime to get that far over (or Hesseman bumped it and since it wasn’t the actual sound source no one noticed). ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4162 "2021-06-04T15:12:58Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Riggs and Murtaugh presumably had similar salaries as LAPD police sergeants. Why did Riggs live in a dilapidated trailer on the beach? He was depressed about his wife’s death, not financially destitute. Murtaugh was able to afford to raise a family in a decent house in LA, plus he had a boat. Maybe he didn’t want to live in the house where his wife had lived? Maybe he was so depressed he didn’t care, just had enough to exist and wish he didn’t any more. It’s clearly meant as an indicator of his mental, not financial state. ---
**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2021, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4163 "2021-06-10T00:18:17Z")
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