# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 242
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4825 "2022-04-01T13:44:31Z")
In **Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade** , Indiana has to walk to the Grail by stepping on only those tiles that spell “Jehovah” - and almost fails immediately because he steps on “J,” forgetting that “Jehovah” was spelled with an “I” in Latin. I, J. **I** ndiana **J** ones. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4826 "2022-04-01T13:54:07Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > I, J. **I** ndiana **J** ones. But his name is **H** enry. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4827 "2022-04-01T16:01:18Z")
Indiana was the dog’s name! ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4828 "2022-04-01T16:12:46Z")
He’s got a lot of fond memories of that dog. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4829 "2022-04-01T16:20:38Z")
> [@Hypno-Toad](#): > > The Clashs “Should I Stay or Should I Go.” It never occurred to me until almost college that they were singing in Spanish. Similarly, “soy un perdedor” in Beck’s song “Loser” — though, when I lived in Mexico, this was not the word one would use for a “loser.” I’m pretty sure it’s a gringo’s literal attempt at translating (like saying “yo pienso que…” rather than “creo que…” for “I think that…). (He made up for it with “Guero” several years later — that really does mean “white dude”). ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4830 "2022-04-01T16:46:51Z")
> [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](#): > > I, J. **I** ndiana **J** ones. Not intended, though, right? I think it is just a coincidence, not something they intended and certainly not an obvious thing you realized, no? ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4831 "2022-04-01T17:23:48Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > He’s got a lot of fond memories of that dog. Slight hijack: do we ever meet Indiana the dog in the series? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4832 "2022-04-01T17:30:37Z")
Yeah, he’s in the first episode of the TV series. See at 1m 17s, and a couple of minutes following. Don’t recall if he was seen again. Been a while since I saw it. https://www.youtube.com/embed/doerGK_GRTQ?feature=oembed&wmode=opaque&list=PLcDyf8W4gXOGXdUWDJW8gxIO-H7ErOFGt ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4833 "2022-04-01T18:27:02Z")
Didn’t he also make a brief appearance at the beginning of _Last Crusade_? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4834 "2022-04-01T19:40:55Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Didn’t he also make a brief appearance at the beginning of _Last Crusade_ ?.. Did he? I didn’t think so. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4835 "2022-04-01T21:01:18Z")
I just watched Hidden Figures for the 7th or 8th time. I’d been assuming that the songs on the soundtrack (at least, the sung ones, not the instrumental mood music in a few scenes) were period pieces they’d picked out, because they sound early-60s-ish. But after watching it a few times, I paid closer attention to the lyrics, and realized that they were a bit too apropos-- “When we slumber, I see numbers”? “They want the Moon, I’m on Mars”? “The women were often banned”? Yeah, of course that was written for the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4836 "2022-04-01T22:47:10Z")
Today I saw a little pop-up article about the TV series _St Elsewhere_, which started forty years ago. It had a picture of the cast and I was thinking _“Denzel Washington won some Oscars and Mark Harmon had another long-running series. But I wonder who else had a successful career after this show.”_ So I went to Wikipedia and began looking up the cast members to see what they did after the show. And I was reading the article about David Morse and I was surprised that it didn’t mention his role on the TV series _Oz_. So I did so more checking. TLDR version: Today I learned that David Morse and Lee Tergesen are two different people. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4837 "2022-04-01T22:48:50Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > > [@Wheelz](#): > > > > Didn’t he also make a brief appearance at the beginning of _Last Crusade_ ?.. > > Did he? I didn’t think so. He was on the floor when young Indy came in the house at the very beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4838 "2022-04-02T00:17:59Z")
> [@Catamount](#): > > He was on the floor when young Indy came in the house at the very beginning Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4839 "2022-04-02T01:12:15Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Not intended, though, right? I think it is just a coincidence, not something they intended and certainly not an obvious thing you realized, no? Could well be a coincidence - though Tom Stoppard contributed to the screenplay, and it seems like exactly the sort of “Easter egg” he’d throw in. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4840 "2022-04-02T04:44:56Z")
Yep. He raised his head and looked at Indy as he strode past the pooch. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4841 "2022-04-02T13:19:24Z")
While doing a crossword puzzle just now, I suddenly realized that “Duke” Ellington got his nickname because his surname resembles “Duke of Wellington.” Duh! ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4842 "2022-04-02T17:18:34Z")
How about Count Basie? One followed the other? ---
**Author:** ![Peanuthead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peanuthead/32/360_2.png) [@Peanuthead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peanuthead)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4843 "2022-04-02T21:11:01Z")
Nope. This from Wikipedia: Ellington credited his friend Edgar McEntee for the nickname: “I think he felt that in order for me to be eligible for his constant companionship, I should have a title. So he called me Duke.” ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/4844 "2022-04-02T22:39:36Z")
I stand corrected! (Though, maybe Mr. McEntee was influenced by the connection I suggested — perhaps even subliminally.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=241) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=243)