# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 255
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5085 "2022-11-07T03:48:21Z")
Just watched The Invisible Man (1933). I haven’t seen Titanic. So it was cool to hear the GF from Invisible Man came back to play old Rose. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5086 "2022-11-07T03:55:19Z")
Nope. Dont believe it. Mandela Effect ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5087 "2022-11-07T04:28:07Z")
Don’t believe what? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5088 "2022-11-07T04:45:47Z")
That song is by Peter Paul and Mary…like the OP said. Its a Mama and Papas song and anything different is just parallel universe stuff ---
**Author:** ![Wendell\_Wagner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/8491ac/32.png) [@Wendell\_Wagner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wendell_Wagner)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5089 "2022-11-07T05:26:45Z")
So the Wikipedia was written in a parallel universe?: > **[I Dig Rock and Roll Music](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Dig_Rock_and_Roll_Music)** > > "I Dig Rock and Roll Music" is a 1967 song by the American folk group Peter, Paul and Mary, written by Paul Stookey, James Mason and Dave Dixon. > Credited to Stookey-Mason-Dixon, the song's lyrics reference contemporary rock artists including the Mamas & the Papas, Donovan, and the Beatles. The song parodies and satirizes the vocal style of the Mamas & the Papas in the first verse, Donovan in the second verse and the Beatles in the third verse. Matthew Greenwald of AllMusic commented that the son... ---
**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5090 "2022-11-07T05:29:23Z")
I was very familiar with the “I dig etc,” song first when I was a kid because my parents had the “10 Years After” album. It wasn’t my favorite so I didnt go out of my way to listen to it. Decades later, I had gotten old enough to prefer the oldies station. When they played this song, I was finally famliar enough with the Beatles, Donavan, and the Mamas and the Papas to recognize what they were doing, and they were **spot on** in each section with the mimicking of the different styles. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5091 "2022-11-07T20:01:15Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jack” is unnecessary. Cracker Jack already has peanuts in it. Not really. Cracker Jack is a sweet treat and salted roaster peanuts are salty and savory. I could see getting both. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > And I discovered that everything I thought I knew has been a lie. _A Christmas Story_ (1983) is not the original movie in the franchise. It’s actually the third movie in what is now an eight movie series. Well, not so much a series, but attempts to get Jean Shepherd’s humor to translate to TV and film (and since Shepherd often wrote to script or part of it, the attempts were better than many). I have seen _Ollie Hopnoodle’s Haven of Bliss_ and it is okay. _A Christmas Story_ (1983) is not only the best of the films based on Jean Shepherd’s writings but also a Christmas film, so it turned into a tradition, like 'It’s a Wonderful Life". The cast is great also. > [@furryman](#): > > After watching _Christmas Story_ I found one of Jean Shepherd’s short story collections. His story about his expierience as a Mess Hall server was hilarious. Find the rest, trust me. But yes, his military service stories are also hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5092 "2022-11-07T20:35:36Z")
Just finished season one of Star Trek: Strange New Worlds. Took two or three episodes to realize that Number One’s first name was Una. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2022, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5093 "2022-11-07T22:55:20Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > _A Christmas Story_ (1983) is not only the best of the films based on Jean Shepherd’s writings but also a Christmas film, so it turned into a tradition, like 'It’s a Wonderful Life". The other thing that makes both A Christmas Story and It’s a Wonderful Life good for marathon showings at Christmastime is that they’re both very episodic. If you’ve got half an hour between finishing your kitchen work and the time when the guests are showing up, or whatever, you can turn on the TV and catch one of those movies wherever they happen to be in their runtimes, and get an entertaining little story that more or less stands on its own. And if, eventually, you see every bit and bob but all of them out of order, the movie as a whole doesn’t suffer much from it. Of course, Shepherd’s other movies would presumably be similarly episodic, but there’s not as much demand for that outside of Christmas time. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5094 "2022-11-08T00:59:48Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The other thing that makes both It’s a Wonderful Life and It’s a Wonderful Life good for marathon showings at Christmastime is that they’re both very episodic. Of course, IMHO _It’s a Wonderful Life_ is not truly a Christmas film, whilst _It’s a Wonderful Life_ qualifies. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5095 "2022-11-08T01:03:37Z")
No, no, no…you have that backwards. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5096 "2022-11-08T03:24:48Z")
LOL, opps. My Bad, sorry ---
**Author:** ![Bashorian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bashorian/32/3546_2.png) [@Bashorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bashorian)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5098 "2022-11-08T05:07:16Z")
> [@dirtball](#): > > I was bingeing _Sabrina the Teenage Witch_ with my daughter, and we were about halfway through the second season when I realized the show portrayed a family of witches named Spellman. I listened to the March 2022 Caroline Rhea interview by Marc Maron last week, and she said she only recently put that together herself. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5100 "2022-11-08T23:46:34Z")
OK, what happened there? I didn’t edit my post, and my actual post contains the titles of both movies. I don’t think that @DrDeth would deliberately misquote me just to make fun of the edited quote? But then, how did the mis-quote end up in his post? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2022, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5101 "2022-11-09T01:12:38Z")
No, it’s definitely some bug. If you expand the quoted section in DrDeth’s post, you see the correct names. Only in the ‘preview’ pane does the error we see occur. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2022, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5102 "2022-11-09T05:15:29Z")
It could be some error on my part with cut and paste perhaps? If so, my humble apologies. I certainly wasn’t making fun of you. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2022, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5103 "2022-11-09T11:23:51Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > No, it’s definitely some bug. If you expand the quoted section in DrDeth’s post, you see the correct names. Only in the ‘preview’ pane does the error we see occur. Yeah, that’s very weird. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2022, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5104 "2022-11-09T12:18:25Z")
Is that like Menard’s version of _Don Quixote_? [Pierre Menard, Author of the Quixote - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Menard,_Author_of_the_Quixote#:~:text=%22Pierre%20Menard%2C%20Author%20of%20the,Argentine%20writer%20Jorge%20Luis%20Borges.&text=It%20originally%20appeared%20in%20Spanish,journal%20Sur%20in%20May%201939). ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2022, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5105 "2022-11-09T16:17:09Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > The other thing that makes both A Christmas Story and It’s a Wonderful Life good for marathon showings at Christmastime is that they’re both very episodic. National Lampoon’s _Christmas Vacation_ is also very episodic. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2022, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5106 "2022-11-10T14:51:47Z")
In the Simon and Garfunkel song “A Simple Desultory Phillipic,” one section has him saying: _I’ve been Ayn Rand-ed, nearly branded A communist ‘cos I’m left-handed! That’s the hand I use - well, never mind._ I just realized that that’s a reference to masturbation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=254) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=256)