# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 258
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5147 "2022-11-21T21:10:25Z")
I love that movie. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5148 "2022-11-23T19:54:25Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > On _I Dream of Jeannie_, Major Nelson and Major Healey lived in Cocoa Beach, Florida. In real life, astronauts lived in Houston. I don’t remember enough about that show to remember how often they were actually going to space, versus a desk job. ---
**Author:** ![TreacherousCretin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/treacherouscretin/32/476_2.png) [@TreacherousCretin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TreacherousCretin)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5149 "2022-11-24T00:34:34Z")
In my heretical opinion **Duel** is still Spielberg’s best film. Mistakes and all (there are several). ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5150 "2022-12-02T13:52:07Z")
> [@K364](#): > > Maybe somewhere in the early rehearsals or early takes the mistake was made, and they liked the idea of it, and it became part of the arrangement. Same with Nirvana’s “Polly” (Wikipedia:) According to Vig in the 2005 _[Classic Albums: Nirvana - Nevermind](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Albums:_Nirvana_-_Nevermind)_ documentary, Cobain accidentally sang the first two words of the third verse, “Polly said,” too early, during the instrumental break, but the band decided to leave it in.[[7]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polly_(Nirvana_song)#cite_note-classic_rock_albums-7) However, earlier versions of the song also feature this line, including the original home demo, the 1989 Peel version, and most pre-_Nevermind_ live versions. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5151 "2022-12-02T18:09:16Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > On _I Dream of Jeannie_, Major Nelson and Major Healey lived in Cocoa Beach, Florida. In real life, astronauts lived in Houston Also NASA was never a military organization like it was portrayed in the series. True all early astronauts came _from_ the military, but the show makes it look like the USAF was in charge of the entire space program. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5152 "2022-12-02T19:20:34Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > True all early astronauts came _from_ the military, but the show makes it look like the USAF was in charge of the entire space program. The higher-ups were USA, but Major Healey wore a green uniform. He must have been Army. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5153 "2022-12-02T19:23:39Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > On _I Dream of Jeannie_, Major Nelson and Major Healey lived in Cocoa Beach, Florida. In real life, astronauts lived in Houston > > Also NASA was never a military organization like it was portrayed in the series. True all early astronauts came _from_ the military, but the show makes it look like the USAF was in charge of the entire space program. The lines were especially blurred during the Gemini program, because at the time the USAF was heavily pushing to expand Gemini into a standing military capability to conduct manned space missions for national defense purposes. [Manned Orbiting Laboratory - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manned_Orbiting_Laboratory#Spacecraft) ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5154 "2022-12-02T19:25:02Z")
Captain/Major Nelson was a Mercury, Gemini AND Apollo astronaut! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5155 "2022-12-02T19:34:35Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > The higher-ups were USA, but Major Healey wore a green uniform. He must have been Army. Specifically from the Engineers, who provided quite a few of the Army’s aviators. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5156 "2022-12-07T15:16:51Z")
> [@Lumpy](#): > > Captain/Major Nelson was a Mercury, Gemini AND Apollo astronaut! Wally Schirra flew all three for real, and Gus Grissom flew Mercury and Gemini (and of course died on the ground in Apollo 1). ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5157 "2022-12-07T18:12:14Z")
John Young was part of the second astronaut group selected and flew on Gemini, Apollo, and the Space Shuttle over a span of 18 years. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5158 "2022-12-19T19:56:36Z")
My brother-in-law wanted to check out the sound on his home theater system, so he screened _Fantsia 2000_. I just noticed that the first movement of _Symphony No. 5_ had been severely truncated, missing, among other things, the oboe cadenza. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5159 "2022-12-19T20:32:03Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > I just noticed that the first movement of _Symphony No. 5_ had been severely truncated, missing, among other things, the oboe cadenza. Many/all of them are truncated. I know Firebird and Rhapsody in Blue well enough to know they are truncated, so I kind of assume the rest are as well. On some DVD extra they were discussing talking to James Levine about this, and the conversation went something like: Disney: “Do you think we can make a 5 minute version of the 4th movement of Beethoven’s 5th?” Levine: “That depends which 5 minutes it is” (Heavily paraphrased from memory.) Also, glad to see someone other than me ever acknowledging the existence of Fantasia 2000, which I think is in general criminally overlooked. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5160 "2022-12-19T20:44:05Z")
Aside: The original plan for Fantasia was to have maybe three or four movies’ worth of segments, and to continually rotate them through the theatrical release, so every time you went to see it, there’d be a couple of new songs. A bold experiment, that didn’t quite work out. ---
**Author:** ![K364](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k364/32/5_2.png) [@K364](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/K364)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5161 "2022-12-19T21:03:26Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > _Symphony No. 5_ had been severely truncated, missing, among other things, the oboe cadenza. “Why, he’s playing a cadenza! He must be out of his mind! He thinks it’s an oboe concerto!” ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5162 "2022-12-19T21:12:10Z")
> [@K364](#): > > > [@kaylasdad99](#): > > > > _Symphony No. 5_ had been severely truncated, missing, among other things, the oboe cadenza. > > “Why, he’s playing a cadenza! He must be out of his mind! He thinks it’s an oboe concerto!” Exactly. I was waiting to shout that out to my niece and nephews. Very disappointed. So this morning I called it up on [Youtube](https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=new+horizons+in+music+appreciation+symphony+no+5&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:d849e752,vid:MzXoVo16pTg) for them. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5163 "2022-12-19T21:54:13Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Also, glad to see someone other than me ever acknowledging the existence of Fantasia 2000, which I think is in general criminally overlooked. I went to New York City for a weekend and saw it at a theater near Times Square. It was fun to watch the _Rhapsody In Blue_ segment and see animations of places I had been to earlier in the day. > [@K364](#): > > “Why, he’s playing a cadenza! He must be out of his mind! He thinks it’s an oboe concerto!” “They’ve got a new theme going on down there; I can’t believe it!” I was just reminded of Peter Schickele yesterday watching a documentary about Horn & Hardart automats. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5164 "2022-12-20T14:37:56Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Also, glad to see someone other than me ever acknowledging the existence of Fantasia 2000, which I think is in general criminally overlooked. I agree. I love both Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, despite the cuts they made. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5165 "2022-12-20T21:50:57Z")
This isn’t something I just realized, but a question I have always had, about the Hitchcock movie The 39 Steps. In the first music hall scene, when there are gunshots and a stampede to the door, the hero (Richard Hannay) rescues a somewhat exotic-looking young lady with an accent and gets her safely out to the street, whereupon she asks him “May I come home with you?” He says “What’s the idea?” in a friendly but curious tone, and she says “Well, I’d like to.” Then he says “Well, It’s your funeral” and proceeds to take her home on a bus. We learn later what she really wanted, but before we find that out, what would we, the audience, have been expecting from this woman in 1935? And what would Hannay have been thinking (remembering that he was visiting from Canada, if that makes any difference)? Was it that she was something like a streetwalker, plying her trade? What I’m looking for is a social context to interpret this scene, because in the social context I am familiar with it doesn’t make sense. If he was a nice young man, as he was being portrayed as, would he have been so easily persuaded to take a strange woman home with him, however attractive? ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2022, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/5166 "2022-12-20T22:19:21Z")
Damsel in distress. BTW, if you get the chance, watch the stage version, a four-person show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=257) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117.md?page=259)