# Obvious things about a creative work you realize after the millionth time (OPEN SPOILERS POSSIBLE)

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**Category:** Cafe Society\
**Created:** [July 24, 2009, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117 "2009-07-24T13:20:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\
**Post date:** [December 14, 2009, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/581 "2009-12-14T02:30:38Z")

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This is a bit of the opposite I guess, but I don’t see how the song Domino by Van Morrison could be about anything but the discovery of gay sex:

> [@](#):
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> Don’t want to discuss it  
> I think it’s time for a change  
> You may get disgusted  
> And start thinkin’ that I’m actin’ strange  
> In that case I’ll go underground  
> Get some heavy rest  
> Never have to worry  
> About what is worst and what is best . . . hit it
> 
> Chorus:  
> Oh, oh, Domino  
> Roll me over, Romeo, there you go (guttural Ughhh)  
> Lord have mercy, I said  
> Oh, oh, Domino  
> Roll me over, Romeo, there you go  
> Say it again  
> I said oh, oh, Domino  
> I said oh, oh, Domino

I don’t know why else Romeo would be rolling him over and causing him to grunt, or why people might think it is disgusting. I really can’t figure out a reasonable alternate interpretation to the line about thinking it is digusting.

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/582 "2009-12-29T14:21:04Z")

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> [@ministryman](#):
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> “Frigidaire”
> 
> I always thought it was a cool-sounding name (:dubious: pun not intended).
> 
> Yesterday it hit me as I was opening mine up for a snack…
> 
> _Wow, that’s really frigid air…_ :smack:
> 
> That’s what a refrigerator does - blows frigid air inside to keep things cool/frozen.

And College Inn Broth is a play on the word [collagen](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collagen). The collagen from boiling bones thickens the broth.

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**Author:** ![Hyperelastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Hyperelastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hyperelastic)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/583 "2009-12-29T14:50:01Z")

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In my favorite movie, _The Right Stuff_, before a risky test flight Yeager borrows a stick of gum from Ridley and states that he will pay him back later. This happens at least twice. About 20 years after first seeing the movie, I realized it is Yeager’s manly way of saying “I may not live through this flight, but I’m gonna try.” I’m not sure but I think my wife had to explain it to me.

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**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/584 "2009-12-29T17:30:48Z")

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In HS, I had a friend named Melissa. Her boss would call her “Sweet Melissa” after the Barry Manilow song “Could It Be Magic”.

I remembered the night I was driving home from work and it came on the radio and I realized that it is not this romantic, ethereal song - but a song about them trying to have an orgasm.

> [@](#):
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> Come, come, come in to my arms  
> Let me know the wonder of all of you,  
> Baby I want you now, now, now and hold on fast  
> Could this be the magic at last."

I blame the fact that I was a virgin at the time and therefore unschooled. Now I just feel like when I hear it, I’m this total voyeur.

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**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\
**Post date:** [December 29, 2009, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/585 "2009-12-29T20:54:10Z")

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> [@melodyharmonius](#):
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> In HS, I had a friend named Melissa. Her boss would call her “Sweet Melissa” after the Barry Manilow song “Could It Be Magic”.

The Allman Brothers also have song called["Melissa"(click “Play”)](http://www.last.fm/music/The+Allman+Brothers+Band/_/Melissa) in which the subject is referred to as “Sweet Melissa.” Are you sure your friend’s reference wasn’t from that song?

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**Author:** ![bup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/6bbea6/32.png) [@bup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bup)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/586 "2010-01-05T12:40:12Z")

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I’ve been a fan of Eartha Kitt for about 20 years or so.

This morning, I was humming “Santa Baby” to myself, and when I got to “hurry down the chimney tonight,” I, for the first time, realized that just \*might \*be double-_entendre_. :smack:

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**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/587 "2010-01-05T13:03:26Z")

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> [@Stoid](#):
>
> Scarecrow wants a brain…yet he’s the smartest guy in the group who comes up with all the ideas.  
> Tinman wants a heart, but he’s a sentimental lug.  
> Cowardly lion wants courage, and he’s the toughest SOB there.
> 
> Duh.

How can you miss this? - it’s plainly stated _in the film_ (unless you’re talking about the book, which I can’t remember well enough)

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/588 "2010-01-05T13:03:29Z")

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> [@Peter\_Morris](#):
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> [What you are] and [LMNOP] sound like different tunes to me. I’m not sure how they are the same. But if people who read music tell me they are the same, I’ll just have to take their word for it.

Well, there’s more syllables in one than the other. One is made up of quarter notes, while the other switches to eighth notes, but the underlying melody is the same. It’s kinda like when you improv a song and have to fit in a word that doesn’t quite fit. To show it visually:

what | you ~|are  
el-em|en-oh|pee

I’m surprised you didn’t mention the similar problem with [QRS,TUV] or [WX,Y&Z], where the commas represent rests (empty spaces in the melody) where there are notes in TTLS: [Up above **the** world so high] [Like a dia **mond** in the sky]

Still, the notes (in C) are as follows (with each letter being a quarter note, and a ; being a quarter rest:

CCGGAAG; FFEEDDC; GGF(F)EED; GGF(F)EED; CCGGAAG; FFEEDDC.

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/589 "2010-01-05T14:31:50Z")

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I recently saw a rerun of Everybody Loves Raymond. It was Halloween and Peter Boyle’s character was dressed as Frankenstein’s monster. I thought that was cool, as his most famous movie role was the monster in Mel Brooks’s Young Frankenstein.

Then Deborah walked by and said “Hi, Frank.” My jaw dropped.

I don’t know if Frank Barone/Frankenstein was intentional or just coincidence, but I never noticed it before.

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/590 "2010-01-05T14:50:05Z")

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> [@filling\_pages](#):
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> There’s “gay stuff” in Wild Side, but more specifically, it’s about various people were part of Andy Warhol’s circle. (Holly Woodlawn, Candy Darling, Joe Dallesandro, Jackie Curtis and Joe Campbell.)

:smack:

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**Author:** ![melodyharmonius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/melodyharmonius/32/21310_2.png) [@melodyharmonius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/melodyharmonius)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/591 "2010-01-05T15:07:44Z")

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> [@NDP](#):
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> The Allman Brothers also have song called["Melissa"(click “Play”)](http://www.last.fm/music/The+Allman+Brothers+Band/_/Melissa) in which the subject is referred to as “Sweet Melissa.” Are you sure your friend’s reference wasn’t from that song?

Yeah, he used to sing the Barry Manilow version to her - just not the chorus.

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**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\
**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/592 "2010-01-05T16:23:38Z")

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Yesterday in the [Ask the Old DJ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=545461) thread, the discussion turned to WKRP In Cincinnati.

I suddenly realized that WKRP stood for W-Crap. :smack:

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**Post date:** [January 5, 2010, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/593 "2010-01-05T18:19:43Z")

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> [@Baal\_Houtham](#):
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> Yesterday in the [Ask the Old DJ](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=545461) thread, the discussion turned to WKRP In Cincinnati.
> 
> I suddenly realized that WKRP stood for W-Crap. :smack:

No no no, it was W-_Carp_. Don’t you remember the carp mascot costume for public appearances? And wasn’t there a carp-dropped-from-plane publicity stunt?  
😛

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**Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/594 "2010-01-06T05:28:04Z")

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I was accompanying my daughter’s kindergarten class to a stage play of Winnie the Pooh, and the kindergarten teacher (and mother of 4) was astonished when, in the middle of the play, she finally realized for the first time that Kanga + Roo = Kangaroo. She had never made the connection before.

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/595 "2010-01-06T14:27:08Z")

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> [@bup](#):
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> I’ve been a fan of Eartha Kitt for about 20 years or so.
> 
> This morning, I was humming “Santa Baby” to myself, and when I got to “hurry down the chimney tonight,” I, for the first time, realized that just \*might \*be double-_entendre_. :smack:

Also the line “And go and tell old Mrs. Claus to find another pole.”

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**Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/596 "2010-01-06T15:18:40Z")

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There are also two great semi-double entendres: lines that have a dirty side until she finishes saying the whole thing:

> [@](#):
>
> Santa honey, there’s one thing I really do need,  
> The deed  
> To a platinum mine

and

> [@](#):
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> Come and trim my Christmas tree,  
> With some decorations bought at Tiffany’s,

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**Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/597 "2010-01-06T15:37:26Z")

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> [@Annie-Xmas](#):
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> Also the line “And go and tell old Mrs. Claus to find another pole.”

I’m not familiar with that lyric - whose version is that?

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**Post date:** [January 6, 2010, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/598 "2010-01-06T15:58:11Z")

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> [@Hyperelastic](#):
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> In my favorite movie, _The Right Stuff_, before a risky test flight Yeager borrows a stick of gum from Ridley and states that he will pay him back later. This happens at least twice. About 20 years after first seeing the movie, I realized it is Yeager’s manly way of saying “I may not live through this flight, but I’m gonna try.” I’m not sure but I think my wife had to explain it to me.

I don’t think it’s so much a “manly” way as a superstition. I always thought it was along the lines of “if I owe somebody a favor, fate won’t let me die until I can pay 'em back.”

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/599 "2010-01-09T14:16:18Z")

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> [@bup](#):
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> I’m not familiar with that lyric - whose version is that?

Surprisingly, I cannot find this verse on-line. I’ve heard it sung with this last verse:

And then I’ll pack up all my presents and my new few stole  
And go and tell old Mrs. Clause to find another pole.  
So Santa baby, hurry down my chimney tonight.

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**Post date:** [January 9, 2010, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/obvious-things-about-a-creative-work-you-realize-after-the-millionth-time-open-spoilers-possible/504117/600 "2010-01-09T19:15:10Z")

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> [@caligulathegod](#):
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> I’m pretty sure it’s a coincidence. Early scripts had a completely different character named Darth Vader who was relatively minor. Lucas just liked to reuse names and it became the primary villain’s name. “Vader” think _In_Vader. Just like _In_Sidious.

So then, why the name: _ **Leia Organa** _? 😛

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